Tie breaker: a (good!) definitive answer

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 5:31 pm

http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/mac/invis ... ntry136011

Quoting, here:

OK - just got off the phone with the MAC office in Cleveland. The AD's voted for this procedure during the spring '04 meetings.

1st - Head to Head. Obviously, the situation we are talking about here is NIU, BGSU & UT all ending up with 7-1 conference records. In
this scenario, we go to tie-breaker #2:

(Tie breaker #2 would only apply with a 2 way tie, so...........)

Tie breaker #3 - You would compare the combined conference record
of the teams' crossover games. That would be turned into a combined winning %. The team whose crossover opponents winning % is the
highest would be declared the champ. Did that make any sense??

Example: NIU's crossover games were Akron & UCF. Right now, NIU better take care of business, because the Zipper/Knight winning % in-conference checks in @ .444 (4-5).

Any comments??

Go HERD!!!

p.s. Toledo's crossover games - MofO and Ohio currently (.500) 5-5

BGSU's crossover games - Ohio and MUg currently (.555) 5-4

BGSU33 · Post by **BGSU33** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 5:58 pm

Well, if that's the case......GO BG....Go UT (we have to pull for them to at least beat NIU), Go Marshall and Go OU!!!

After writing the sentence above, I will state once again why I said the NIU game was our biggest game of the year before the season even started. Some said it was Oklahoma. But had we beat Oklahoma and ended up losing to NIU like we did, we'd still be in the same boat we are now.....needing to win out and needing NIU to lose. If we lost to Oklahoma (which we did) and beat NIU (which we didn't), we wouldn't even have to be worrying about anyone but ourselves. NIU was "our" biggest game of the year so far. Maybe not in the nations' eyes, but in the Falcons' eyes it was.

kdog27 · Post by **kdog27** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:20 pm

BGSU33 wrote:Well, if that's the case......GO BG....Go UT (we have to pull for them to at least beat NIU), Go Marshall and Go OU!!!

After writing the sentence above, I will state once again why I said the NIU game was our biggest game of the year before the season even started. Some said it was Oklahoma. But had we beat Oklahoma and ended up losing to NIU like we did, we'd still be in the same boat we are now.....needing to win out and needing NIU to lose. If we lost to Oklahoma (which we did) and beat NIU (which we didn't), we wouldn't even have to be worrying about anyone but ourselves. NIU was "our" biggest game of the year so far. Maybe not in the nations' eyes, but in the Falcons' eyes it was.

Schade, good job getting that information. That helps clear things up.
BGSU33, I still do not agree with you that Oklahoma was not the big game or just as big of a game. What brought the MAC all the attention last year? Winning out of conference games. Why has the MAC had practically no attention this year? We won what three OOC games and they were against Temple and UK. Beating Oklahoma would be a bigger deal than beating NIU regardless of whether we got a bowl or not. If we had beaten Oklahoma people would still be talking about it. Yes winning the conference games are huge, I agree with that. Getting a bowl is big time but beating one of the premier teams in the history of college football is too. That being said our chances of realistically beating OU were not that good but my point is that a win in Norman Oklahoma is better than a win Detroit Michigan.

BGSUfanatUT · Post by **BGSUfanatUT** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:35 pm

lets keep this to just aboot the MAC here and winning it.

Schade, thanks for digging up that info, Im sure we are all very thankful for that. If thats the case, then if toledo can beat NIU, then WE are actually the ones with the inside track to the MACC game. Akron.UCF give NIU no chance. toledo hase MU and OU we have Marshall and OU, OU cancels and its basically Marshall v. Miami. And we all know who wont hat, so we are sitting pretty.

That aside, WE HAVE TO WIN OUT. And that is the most important thing. 2nd being ut beating NIU. And frankly, they have a habit of pwning NIU, so I think they have a better chance than we give them. But Id put my money on NIU.

BGSU33 · Post by **BGSU33** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:45 pm

Again, I'm not saying beating Oklahoma wouldn't have been big, it would have been huge! In my opinion, I feel Oklahoma was our biggest "named" opponent, but our conference opponents are our biggest "games." I'm not talking about the MAC, I'm talking about BG. Take a look at BG's team goals every year. Find me one year that its goals do not list winning the MAC or getting to a bowl game.

What BG and the MAC did last year no doubt put our conference on the map. But look at everything written and talked about at NIU after last year and heading into this season with what happened to them. Here's a team that won 3 games against BCS teams and was #10 in the BCS standings at one point and stayed at home with 10 wins. All they have talked about since is the bad taste in their mouths and unfinished business and winning the MAC. NIU's biggest game last year was BG, and the MAC reaped the rewards more with NIUs wins over Maryland and Alabama than even the Huskies did. Fresno State is a perfect example this year. The Bulldogs beat Kansas State and Washington on the road to open the year 3-0, but are now 0-3 in the WAC and are fighting for their lives right now.

I know its just an opinion as to what is called our biggest games and we all have our opinions. I just know what our MACC and bowl game win did for our program last year. So we can all think what we want and we're all correct.

BGGrad01 · Post by **BGGrad01** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:36 pm

I would love for the West to come down to 11/23 at the Glass Bowl, but I don't think it's going to happen. I think Miami is going to take UT down next Tuesday night. I will be rooting like crazy for UT, but they're going to have to play really well to win in Oxford AND Dekalb on consecutive weeks.

kdog27 · Post by **kdog27** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:48 pm

BGSU33 wrote:Again, I'm not saying beating Oklahoma wouldn't have been big, it would have been huge! In my opinion, I feel Oklahoma was our biggest "named" opponent, but our conference opponents are our biggest "games." I'm not talking about the MAC, I'm talking about BG. Take a look at BG's team goals every year. Find me one year that its goals do not list winning the MAC or getting to a bowl game.

What BG and the MAC did last year no doubt put our conference on the map. But look at everything written and talked about at NIU after last year and heading into this season with what happened to them. Here's a team that won 3 games against BCS teams and was #10 in the BCS standings at one point and stayed at home with 10 wins. All they have talked about since is the bad taste in their mouths and unfinished business and winning the MAC. NIU's biggest game last year was BG, and the MAC reaped the rewards more with NIUs wins over Maryland and Alabama than even the Huskies did. Fresno State is a perfect example this year. The Bulldogs beat Kansas State and Washington on the road to open the year 3-0, but are now 0-3 in the WAC and are fighting for their lives right now.

I know its just an opinion as to what is called our biggest games and we all have our opinions. I just know what our MACC and bowl game win did for our program last year. So we can all think what we want and we're all correct.

Good point about NIU last year. But the thing is even had NIU gone 0-3 OOC of they still would have sat home last year. They did not get a bowl game but at least they can take consolation in the fact that they brought a ton of attention to their school last year winning those games. Had NIU went 0-3 OOC last year nobody would remember a thing about them. ...I'm in no way trying to start a debate because I agree with what you say. Its a subject that where both sides are right i think.

HuskieDan · Post by **HuskieDan** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:12 pm

NIU's OOC wins were absolutely fantastic for both NIU and the MAC - I submit that those wins coupled with the other couple big ones the MAC had last year are the reason that two loss MAC teams are getting votes, and in NIU's case are one spot from the top 25, despite no real "signature" win. It was a magical season, and I wouldn't trade it in for anything.

That said, because of the MAC's bowl circumstances we weren't rewarded for that success like we should have been. That was a crime. And because of it, this year our focus is entirely on the MAC, winning it and getting a bowl bid. So much so, that we made sure our starting QB sat out when he was questionable in an effort to both keep him healthy for the MAC schedule and to get his backup enough experience in unimportant games to be ready to play important ones (like BG) if necessary.

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:18 am

I wouldn't howl in protest at the #3 tie breaker if I were NIU. Something seems faintly wrong about that. Not unlike the MAC only giving BG 8 conference games, and then not giving a co-title because they gave CMU 9 games.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:11 pm

NWLB wrote:I wouldn't howl in protest at the #3 tie breaker if I were NIU. Something seems faintly wrong about that. Not unlike the MAC only giving BG 8 conference games, and then not giving a co-title because they gave CMU 9 games.

In the three-way tie we keep speculating about, I thought all three teams would be division champs. The only question, I thought, was who got to play for the league title.

It's a weird tiebreaker, but it strikes me as fair.