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Was just checkin' out scout on BG prospects and this guy was listed. He has BG as a medium interest....along with Michigan, MSU,OSU , UCLA, and UT. Has offers from the 3 B10 schools but none from us. I guess our coaches aren't bothering to offer him seeing as who has offered him. Dang, would be a sweet pickup though.
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=337&p=8&c=1&nid=2966706

This kid is probably either going to MSU or UM and OSU might enter the picture if they offer. There's no sense in offering a kid we have no shot at getting in my opinion. Focus your time and effort on the kids you actually have a shot at getting.

bgsukid wrote:This kid is probably either going to MSU or UM and OSU might enter the picture if they offer. There's no sense in offering a kid we have no shot at getting in my opinion. Focus your time and effort on the kids you actually have a shot at getting.

What kind of effort or resources does it take to offer a kid a scholarship? Whats the sense in not doing it?

You contact him and he says, "I have no interest in attending your puny MAC school...the football GODS of the BIG 10 are in my jock like ants at a picnic and I'm gonna pick whatever 100,000+ seat stadium tickles my fancy. Nice to see you're getting fieldturf though".

At that point only a complete moron would offer him a schollie...

Flipper wrote:You contact him and he says, "I have no interest in attending your puny MAC school...the football GODS of the BIG 10 are in my jock like ants at a picnic and I'm gonna pick whatever 100,000+ seat stadium tickles my fancy. Nice to see you're getting fieldturf though".

At that point only a complete moron would offer him a schollie...

I doubt he'd phase it like that, he'd probably just say he wants a school that gives him the best shot at getting to the NFL where he can play against top competition and that he appreciates the offer from BG. Who of us if we were unbiased and had no allegance to BG or any other school would even consider BG if we were from Michigan and had offers from MSU and UM? None of us. But I understand phrasing it like that does feed into the inferiority complex this board has with schools like Michigan and Ohio State. I shouldn't have said don't offer him a scolarship because that doesn't take much effort. I just meant that I hope they aren't wasting time calling this kid and sending people to see him when we could be using that time to recruits kids that we have a shot at getting.

To answer your question, I will look back on a nice video game that I play. If you offer him a scholarship, then you have to count that potential scholarship towards the total number of scholarships available to your team to offer. You only get that one back when he declines your offer, and if he waits a while, then your scholarship doesn't do you very much good.

footballguy51 wrote:To answer your question, I will look back on a nice video game that I play. If you offer him a scholarship, then you have to count that potential scholarship towards the total number of scholarships available to your team to offer. You only get that one back when he declines your offer, and if he waits a while, then your scholarship doesn't do you very much good.

Real life doesn't work like the video game. There is no limit to the number of kids you can offer a scholarship. You are well within your rights to offer a scholarship and rescind that offer at any time.

It is not unusual, especially with big programs and big time prospects, to offer more scholarships than they have available, and the offer will go to whichever recruit faxes his letter in on signing day first.

In that light, I would not HOLD a scholarship for a player of this caliber; the chances of us landing him are just to slim. I'd give him an offer, but consider to pursue other recruits. If he gives a verbal to us, then I'd hold his spot for him, but until that time I'd be operating under the assumption he had told us "thanks, but no thanks."

Flipper wrote:You contact him and he says, "I have no interest in attending your puny MAC school...the football GODS of the BIG 10 are in my jock like ants at a picnic and I'm gonna pick whatever 100,000+ seat stadium tickles my fancy. Nice to see you're getting fieldturf though".

At that point only a complete moron would offer him a schollie...

Why would we be listed on his list of schools he is interested in then?

Two reasons....early in the process the services like scout and rivals will often list the schools that have expressed an early interest in a player as well as the schools that the player has expressed an interest in.

We also may have been the amongst the first schools to call on him at all. So when Rivals or Scout contacts him and ask about his future, he might list the people that have been on him early. Once the bigger schoools get on him, we go further down the list

I would caution you against assuming that scout and rivals are the "bible" when it comes to listing who we've offered and who we haven't. Every year we sign kids that were listed for months as havong only an "interest" but not an actual offer from us.

They are simply not that accurate when it comes to covering the MAC. So far as Ohio goes, I would stick to JJhuddle.com and sites like that that actually have parents, fans and people with a direct connection the the HS programs posting on the forums. That info is probably more accurate

bgsukid wrote:Who of us if we were unbiased and had no allegance to BG or any other school would even consider BG if we were from Michigan and had offers from MSU and UM? None of us.

I would.

I suppose the people that wouldn't are the tools on every MAC campus who walk around wearing Michigan and Ohio State hats and T-shirts.

JoeFalcon wrote:

bgsukid wrote:Who of us if we were unbiased and had no allegance to BG or any other school would even consider BG if we were from Michigan and had offers from MSU and UM? None of us.

I would.

I suppose the people that wouldn't are the tools on every MAC campus who walk around wearing Michigan and Ohio State hats and T-shirts.

I don't think it's fair to speak of something of which none of us have experience. It's easy to say you'd do something like that now, but would you have when you were in HS?

I know that if I were an athlete of that caliber I never would've even visited BG, let alone give them a second thought. I would've went to OSU the second they gave me an offer.

For a top tier athlete with pro aspirations it is foolish to expect them to choose BG over the BCS schools. We cannot even begin to compete with them in terms of exposure or facilities. When we do get a player to develop into the big time they'll constantly hear about the quality of competition being a knock on them come draft time.

If you were a legit 4 or 5 star recruit with offers on the table from any school in the country, I just cannot see you choosing BG. If you can honestly say you would, then I would imagine that you would be the first person to make that choice in a VERY long time (if not ever). I don't honestly believe we've ever snagged a recruit who had a legit offer from the likes of UM or OSU. I don't expect to get one in the near future, either.

hammb wrote:

JoeFalcon wrote:

bgsukid wrote:Who of us if we were unbiased and had no allegance to BG or any other school would even consider BG if we were from Michigan and had offers from MSU and UM? None of us.

I would.

I suppose the people that wouldn't are the tools on every MAC campus who walk around wearing Michigan and Ohio State hats and T-shirts.

I don't think it's fair to speak of something of which none of us have experience. It's easy to say you'd do something like that now, but would you have when you were in HS?

I know that if I were an athlete of that caliber I never would've even visited BG, let alone give them a second thought. I would've went to OSU the second they gave me an offer.

For a top tier athlete with pro aspirations it is foolish to expect them to choose BG over the BCS schools. We cannot even begin to compete with them in terms of exposure or facilities. When we do get a player to develop into the big time they'll constantly hear about the quality of competition being a knock on them come draft time.

If you were a legit 4 or 5 star recruit with offers on the table from any school in the country, I just cannot see you choosing BG. If you can honestly say you would, then I would imagine that you would be the first person to make that choice in a VERY long time (if not ever). I don't honestly believe we've ever snagged a recruit who had a legit offer from the likes of UM or OSU. I don't expect to get one in the near future, either.

So much for speaking on something that we haven't expereinced.

I realize I'm probably in the minority, but I just don't see the big deal, especially the second-tier and third-tier BCS schools that the MAC routinly defeats. After years of propagandizing, I'm sure many Ohio yutes have aspirations to play for Ohio State, but do they dream about playing for Cincinnati, the other state BCS institution? Probably not.

NIU hired a new basketball coach a few months ago, and during his press conference, he said that his sales pitch to top recruits will include posing a simple question: "What can you do at School X that hasn't been done already? Why be a cog in the wheel? Why not come here and make history!"

JoeFalcon wrote:
I realize I'm probably in the minority, but I just don't see the big deal, especially the second-tier and third-tier BCS schools that the MAC routinly defeats.

The differences in the on the field product are not that great to be sure. I agree with you there. MAC teams can usually compete with the Cincy's, NWs, etc, of the world.

Still, where those BCS schools shine, and always will, is in 2 places. The first and most obvious to a HS recruit are facilities. BG's facilities are not even close to what you'd get at a 3rd tier BCS school. This will always be the case because those 3rd tier BCS schools are still getting a cut of the BCS pie, and we are not. The second place they excel over the likes of BG is in reputation among pundits/fans/scouts. When grading a prospect quality of competition is always going to work into the equation. However true it may be, scouts are always going to talk more favorably about a player who put up X numbers in the Big East than they will about a guy with the same (or even better) numbers in the MAC. That's just the way it goes. What's more if a player is putting up those big numbers on one of those lousy 3rd tier BCS teams they'll get lauded even more by saying they were putting up big numbers in a power conference without any help around them.

At the end of the day MAC schools have a real hard time competing for the type of recruits who are thinking of playing the game professionally. We can always pull in the good athlete who a BCS team wants to change position, but we can offer him his favorite pasition (Harris). We can always pull in the guys who got injured and slipped through the BCS cracks (Jacobs). We can even occasionally pull in the guys who garner interest from lower level BCS schools, but realize that probably wouldn't play much there (Turner). However, I think we're a VERY long way from the MAC schools pulling in the recruits that the big boys truly want; the guys who are legit star athletes and can be thinking of pro aspirations.

I would very much like to see this change (a fantasy I act out every year on NCAA the video game ), but for now I just don't see it as realistic to expect it.

I'm a member to Go Blue Wolverine and hes going to either UM or MSU.