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Yet another look at what the "experts" think... http://southerncollegesports.com

Well, I'm so pleased to hear what Matt from Southern College Sports has to say about our head coach:

COACHING: Gregg Brandon has done a fantastic job as head coach at BGSU. They are 3-5 vs. BCS teams, and 2-4 vs. Top 25 opponents. Last year was his first losing season as head coach at BGSU.

So, we're "sorted", chaps. Unless anyone cares to disagree.

At the risk of instigating a furious round of Brandon bashing, it's worth pointing out where the 5 BCS losses came from: two at Ohio State, one at Oklahoma and two against double-digit win Wisconsin teams. They've been from the best of the best, not the second tier Kansas' and Iowa State's of the world that Toledo always plays.

Accomplishments like the two bowl wins and ESPN GameDay coming to BG are fading further from our memory, but that doesn't mean they didn't occur under Brandon's watch and weren't outstanding achievements for the program.

That doesn't excuse or justify the slide we've taken conference-wise, which I agree is disturbing and needs to be turned around. 2007 is a pivotal year, and I'm excited to see what will happen.

He achieved some great things early in his tenure, but in light of the current trending, I'd say fantastic is just a bit much.

JoeFalcon wrote:At the risk of instigating a furious round of Brandon bashing, it's worth pointing out where the 5 BCS losses came from: two at Ohio State, one at Oklahoma and two against double-digit win Wisconsin teams. They've been from the best of the best, not the second tier Kansas' and Iowa State's of the world that Toledo always plays.

Accomplishments like the two bowl wins and ESPN GameDay coming to BG are fading further from our memory, but that doesn't mean they didn't occur under Brandon's watch and weren't outstanding achievements for the program.

That doesn't excuse or justify the slide we've taken conference-wise, which I agree is disturbing and needs to be turned around. 2007 is a pivotal year, and I'm excited to see what will happen.

True. Getting squashed by the big boys at their place makes good economic sense (see the AD thread). Toledo foolishly brings lesser BCS schools into the Glass Bowl and beats them, making it all the more difficult to schedule the creme de la creme who fear similar results. Then all we have to show is the win over a BCS team and no big payouts for getting thumped on the road. Having seven home games instead of five continues to be a problem for us that no is addressing. Excellent point, Joe-we at UT need to turn that around somehow.

IF THINGS DON'T GO SO WELL....BGSU loses winnable games against Ohio and Akron, and their tough OOC schedule allows no mistakes against the powers of the MAC. Another 4-5 win season could happen with their schedule.
sounds about right 4 wins.

and for the record I think our playing BCS schools is stupid, we should just expand our schedules and either play more MAC games or play the WAC
The BCS have their heads up their rears and those games are meaningless with out hope of a real championship played between conference champions.
I understand the "payout" and almighty buck but the games mean nothing and are a waste.

I actually agree with something MACMAN said...wow! We should play more OOC games against non-BCS schools and skip the BCS schools, or play the lesser BCS schools. This year we're playing Minnesota, MSU, and BC. We may win one of those. If we played Kansas, Mizzou, Kentucky, South Florida, Arizona, etc. that are still BCS schools but aren't exactly contending for the championships, it gives us the credit of contending with the BCS without having to play the National Championship contenders. Heck, if we want to stick with the Big 10 and not worry about too much travel, we could play Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, or Purdue and have a good chance of winning.

Honestly, I think we should play teams from the Moutain West, WAC, and Conference USA more often, and even take on the Sun Belt to prove they are worse than the MAC

h2oville rocket wrote:

JoeFalcon wrote:At the risk of instigating a furious round of Brandon bashing, it's worth pointing out where the 5 BCS losses came from: two at Ohio State, one at Oklahoma and two against double-digit win Wisconsin teams. They've been from the best of the best, not the second tier Kansas' and Iowa State's of the world that Toledo always plays.

Accomplishments like the two bowl wins and ESPN GameDay coming to BG are fading further from our memory, but that doesn't mean they didn't occur under Brandon's watch and weren't outstanding achievements for the program.

That doesn't excuse or justify the slide we've taken conference-wise, which I agree is disturbing and needs to be turned around. 2007 is a pivotal year, and I'm excited to see what will happen.

True. Getting squashed by the big boys at their place makes good economic sense (see the AD thread). Toledo foolishly brings lesser BCS schools into the Glass Bowl and beats them, making it all the more difficult to schedule the creme de la creme who fear similar results. Then all we have to show is the win over a BCS team and no big payouts for getting thumped on the road. Having seven home games instead of five continues to be a problem for us that no is addressing. Excellent point, Joe-we at UT need to turn that around somehow.

Oh, h2oville, those Bancroft Street car fumes must finally be getting to you.

1. Toledo is in tip-top financial shape from their brilliant scheduling philosphy, eh? I must have missed the internal investigations, leaked emails and threatened lawsuit from the assistant athletic director for financal affairs at UT over her attempts to get the department out of massive debt and financial disaster.

2. BG didn't get 'squashed' in any of those games. Ohio State in 2003 was a 7 point game, 2005 Wisconsin was a battle into the fourth quarter and the others didn't get ugly like, say, having Kansas and Minnesota drop 60 on you like the Rockets suffered in recent years.

3. Yes, squeaking those wins out over Kansas and Iowa State *really* strikes fear into the heart of Ohio State, Oklahoma and others of their ilk. Just mention "Toledo" and Pete Carroll breaks out in a cold sweat--and not because he thinks one of your players is at the door with a shotgun. (They only do that to off-duty police officers)

I've always been a big Brandon supporter, but fantastic is, at best, hyperbolic.

I'm hoping he earns the adjective this season, though.

JoeFalcon wrote:

h2oville rocket wrote:

JoeFalcon wrote:At the risk of instigating a furious round of Brandon bashing, it's worth pointing out where the 5 BCS losses came from: two at Ohio State, one at Oklahoma and two against double-digit win Wisconsin teams. They've been from the best of the best, not the second tier Kansas' and Iowa State's of the world that Toledo always plays.

Accomplishments like the two bowl wins and ESPN GameDay coming to BG are fading further from our memory, but that doesn't mean they didn't occur under Brandon's watch and weren't outstanding achievements for the program.

That doesn't excuse or justify the slide we've taken conference-wise, which I agree is disturbing and needs to be turned around. 2007 is a pivotal year, and I'm excited to see what will happen.

True. Getting squashed by the big boys at their place makes good economic sense (see the AD thread). Toledo foolishly brings lesser BCS schools into the Glass Bowl and beats them, making it all the more difficult to schedule the creme de la creme who fear similar results. Then all we have to show is the win over a BCS team and no big payouts for getting thumped on the road. Having seven home games instead of five continues to be a problem for us that no is addressing. Excellent point, Joe-we at UT need to turn that around somehow.

Oh, h2oville, those Bancroft Street car fumes must finally be getting to you.

1. Toledo is in tip-top financial shape from their brilliant scheduling philosphy, eh? I must have missed the internal investigations, leaked emails and threatened lawsuit from the assistant athletic director for financal affairs at UT over her attempts to get the department out of massive debt and financial disaster.

2. BG didn't get 'squashed' in any of those games. Ohio State in 2003 was a 7 point game, 2005 Wisconsin was a battle into the fourth quarter and the others didn't get ugly like, say, having Kansas and Minnesota drop 60 on you like the Rockets suffered in recent years.

3. Yes, squeaking those wins out over Kansas and Iowa State *really* strikes fear into the heart of Ohio State, Oklahoma and others of their ilk. Just mention "Toledo" and Pete Carroll breaks out in a cold sweat--and not because he thinks one of your players is at the door with a shotgun. (They only do that to off-duty police officers)

Off duty police officers have nothing to fear from our players since when they come to the door they bring their own weapons. Well, I suppose if an off-duty police officer had his gun stolen by a football player from another school, well, then he might be worried...

footballguy51 wrote:I actually agree with something MACMAN said...wow! We should play more OOC games against non-BCS schools and skip the BCS schools, or play the lesser BCS schools. This year we're playing Minnesota, MSU, and BC. We may win one of those. If we played Kansas, Mizzou, Kentucky, South Florida, Arizona, etc. that are still BCS schools but aren't exactly contending for the championships, it gives us the credit of contending with the BCS without having to play the National Championship contenders. Heck, if we want to stick with the Big 10 and not worry about too much travel, we could play Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, or Purdue and have a good chance of winning.

Honestly, I think we should play teams from the Moutain West, WAC, and Conference USA more often, and even take on the Sun Belt to prove they are worse than the MAC

Whoa!
While I see your thoughts and think the idea has some validity. Im in no way sugesting we play any BCS schools. They are monopolistic discriminatory waste of time. The rest of D1 needs spin off the "indy racing league" of football and get back to "NASCAR" and create a D1 National Championship.
this BCS mid major and crap schools is a load dung. Let the teams actually play for something...that is real and atainable by any team..."A CHAMPIONSHIP"
also we will not win against any of those 3...were going to be greatfull for the 4 wins we may get in the mac.