Does anyone know if Patton is anywhere? 
Josh will just have to work hard on learning the finer points of the NFL game before he sees any playing time in the future. But he is capable.Hey Hammb, hows Big Ben doing, mmmm......???
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Hey Hammb, hows Big Ben doing, mmmm......???
So much for Ben being a wash-out in the NFL. He's now 6-0 now since staring. Oh , yeah I thought the Steelers's secondary was supposed to be the worst in NFL. Well, they sure throttled New England last Sun. This is probably the only thing I've disagreed with you Hammb. I've always thought Rothlisberger would do well. Its obvious why he's starting and Josh is on a practice squad. Ben is just light years ahead of Josh right now. He reads defences well and also seems to throw that fade pass pretty good too. Does anyone know if Patton is anywhere? Josh will just have to work hard on learning the finer points of the NFL game before he sees any playing time in the future. But he is capable.
Does anyone know if Patton is anywhere? Josh will just have to work hard on learning the finer points of the NFL game before he sees any playing time in the future. But he is capable.Mid-2000's Anderson Animal
Ben has been coached A TON, and the Steelers have done a magnificent job with him, no doubt. Watch that game against us here and compare it to him now. He never threw spirals in college, and he was not terribly accurate either. Now he's throwing perfect tight passes and they're right on the money. Anyone who watched him last year compared to this year could easily see that he's LIGHTYEARS ahead of where he was at this time a year ago. Kudos to the Steelers for coaching him up right and getting him ready to play.
You also must realize that he entered into a fantastic situation for any QB. They went out and got Duce Staley and made a concerted effort to re-establish the running game. They have always had a stellar OL, and it doesn't hurt when you're throwing to Hines Ward, Plaxico Burress, and Antwan Randel El. In all he's surrounded by a great group of talent, and he's doing a good job getting them the ball to make plays.
I've watched a couple of their games, and he's still not a real polished QB when standing in the pocket, but he is KILLING people with his athleticism. He throws the ball on the run so well (which I always though he could do, but makes me laugh when I read a pre-draft writeup knocking his ability to throw on the run). Against Cleveland his statistics were great, but almost half of his yardage came on 2 plays where they let him get outside and the stupid secondary broke off coverage and he hit them deep. He will continue to tear up opposing secondaries until they learn that he is always a threat down the field. He's got a cannon and is a great athlete.
Ben has been way better than I would've imagined this year, because he physically was not ready to be an NFL QB. He had prototype size and a cannon for an arm, and great athleticism. I figured he could probably read a defense as well. I said that he could be a bust because of the poor passes he threw a LOT in college. So many of his big plays in college were wobbly passes that his receivers couldn't catch in stride. That wouldn't fly in the NFL, however Pittsburgh has fixed those problems in a very short time.
As for the Steelers secondary it still stinks, but they have brought back LeBeau and been blitzing a ton lately. When you have LBs that can get to the QB the way theirs can your secondary can look a helluva lot better than it really is. If you can give your QB time against them you can still pick that secondary apart. Polamalu is a glorified LB moved back to safety, cannot cover crap. Chad Scott is their best CB, and that's not saying much. In all I still think their secondary is crap, but right now their front 7 is playing out of their minds and that can make up for a LOT of secondary problems real quick.
You also must realize that he entered into a fantastic situation for any QB. They went out and got Duce Staley and made a concerted effort to re-establish the running game. They have always had a stellar OL, and it doesn't hurt when you're throwing to Hines Ward, Plaxico Burress, and Antwan Randel El. In all he's surrounded by a great group of talent, and he's doing a good job getting them the ball to make plays.
I've watched a couple of their games, and he's still not a real polished QB when standing in the pocket, but he is KILLING people with his athleticism. He throws the ball on the run so well (which I always though he could do, but makes me laugh when I read a pre-draft writeup knocking his ability to throw on the run). Against Cleveland his statistics were great, but almost half of his yardage came on 2 plays where they let him get outside and the stupid secondary broke off coverage and he hit them deep. He will continue to tear up opposing secondaries until they learn that he is always a threat down the field. He's got a cannon and is a great athlete.
Ben has been way better than I would've imagined this year, because he physically was not ready to be an NFL QB. He had prototype size and a cannon for an arm, and great athleticism. I figured he could probably read a defense as well. I said that he could be a bust because of the poor passes he threw a LOT in college. So many of his big plays in college were wobbly passes that his receivers couldn't catch in stride. That wouldn't fly in the NFL, however Pittsburgh has fixed those problems in a very short time.
As for the Steelers secondary it still stinks, but they have brought back LeBeau and been blitzing a ton lately. When you have LBs that can get to the QB the way theirs can your secondary can look a helluva lot better than it really is. If you can give your QB time against them you can still pick that secondary apart. Polamalu is a glorified LB moved back to safety, cannot cover crap. Chad Scott is their best CB, and that's not saying much. In all I still think their secondary is crap, but right now their front 7 is playing out of their minds and that can make up for a LOT of secondary problems real quick.
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I have been a little hesitant to call out Brian about Ben as well since he is my nephew, but what Ben has cannot be coached. He is a winner in every sense of the word...you could see it in High School. Some athletes just have it and he certainly does. You can't coach athleticism.
And FWIW Brian...it sounds like you are describing Brucey Gee in regards to non-spiral passes, but I have never seen that in Ben's game...I certainly don't think he had any wobbly passes when he was torching our secondary in the MACC last year.
I always had confidence in him...heck...I drafted him as my #2 QB in fantasy football this year before he ever played a down.
And FWIW Brian...it sounds like you are describing Brucey Gee in regards to non-spiral passes, but I have never seen that in Ben's game...I certainly don't think he had any wobbly passes when he was torching our secondary in the MACC last year.
I always had confidence in him...heck...I drafted him as my #2 QB in fantasy football this year before he ever played a down.
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Mitch...do you have the MACC game on DVD?
Those passes were DUCKS. His guys were wide open oftentimes 4-5 steps behind our secondary and they had to slow or stop their routes to catch the ball and were caught from behind. He turned a number of 70 yard TDs into 50 yard completions due to lack of accuracy.
Go watch his other college games and you'll see he rarely ever through the 10-15 yard out. That is one of the toughest passes to make, especially in the NFL, if it flutters the least bit it will get picked. I seem to remember the human torch...errr Jelani Jordan...picking one off on one of the outs he did throw.
The fact is he torched our secondary last year without throwing tight spirals and accurate passes.
Ben is a playmaker and was hands down the best QB in the MAC last year, you'd never hear me argue that. I didn't think he was ready to play in the NFL quite yet, but then again I still don't think this kid we're watching now is the same player he was a year ago. He has progressed tremendously in terms of mechanics.
I was obviously wrong about how quick it would take him to acclimate to the pro game, he is definitely a special talent who was able to make the best of the improved coaching he is getting in the NFL. I never said that he wouldn't make it in the NFL, I said that I didn't think he was a top 10 talent, and NFL GM's apparently agreed with me with him dropping to #12. I still thought that was a little high for someone who was a physical specimen, but had issues with mechanics, and played against a lower level of competition. Don't think that NFL GM's weren't just a touch scared off by the game he had against the only good defense he played against last year as well. He looks like a steal dropping that low right now, but at the same time he's got a pretty darn good supporting cast as well, and he's not asked to do a whole heckuva lot.
I still think that Philip Rivers was the closest to a "can't miss" QB of the bunch last year, but at the same time Ben has a MUCH higher ceiling than Rivers does.
Here are some pre-draft writeups about him, clearly I'm not the only one in the world who saw this:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/ben_roethlisberger
hammb: Although I thought he was a pretty mobile guy, for his size...
I am impressed by his development, and clearly I was wrong, but I never said he didn't have a chance in the NFL. I thought that he wasn't a legit top 10 pick, and I thought he had bust potential. Right now it looks as though he will be a fine draft pick and a great QB for years to come...but remember the name Rick Mirer
Those passes were DUCKS. His guys were wide open oftentimes 4-5 steps behind our secondary and they had to slow or stop their routes to catch the ball and were caught from behind. He turned a number of 70 yard TDs into 50 yard completions due to lack of accuracy.
Go watch his other college games and you'll see he rarely ever through the 10-15 yard out. That is one of the toughest passes to make, especially in the NFL, if it flutters the least bit it will get picked. I seem to remember the human torch...errr Jelani Jordan...picking one off on one of the outs he did throw.
The fact is he torched our secondary last year without throwing tight spirals and accurate passes.
Ben is a playmaker and was hands down the best QB in the MAC last year, you'd never hear me argue that. I didn't think he was ready to play in the NFL quite yet, but then again I still don't think this kid we're watching now is the same player he was a year ago. He has progressed tremendously in terms of mechanics.
I was obviously wrong about how quick it would take him to acclimate to the pro game, he is definitely a special talent who was able to make the best of the improved coaching he is getting in the NFL. I never said that he wouldn't make it in the NFL, I said that I didn't think he was a top 10 talent, and NFL GM's apparently agreed with me with him dropping to #12. I still thought that was a little high for someone who was a physical specimen, but had issues with mechanics, and played against a lower level of competition. Don't think that NFL GM's weren't just a touch scared off by the game he had against the only good defense he played against last year as well. He looks like a steal dropping that low right now, but at the same time he's got a pretty darn good supporting cast as well, and he's not asked to do a whole heckuva lot.
I still think that Philip Rivers was the closest to a "can't miss" QB of the bunch last year, but at the same time Ben has a MUCH higher ceiling than Rivers does.
Here are some pre-draft writeups about him, clearly I'm not the only one in the world who saw this:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/ben_roethlisberger
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/footba ... 53419.htmlNegatives: Puts nice zip behind his passes, but his long ball will wobble at times
NEGATIVES: A pocket passer with marginal mobility and cannot escape the rush. Must improve his downfield accuracy as well as the placement of the outs.
hammb: Although I thought he was a pretty mobile guy, for his size...
I am impressed by his development, and clearly I was wrong, but I never said he didn't have a chance in the NFL. I thought that he wasn't a legit top 10 pick, and I thought he had bust potential. Right now it looks as though he will be a fine draft pick and a great QB for years to come...but remember the name Rick Mirer
Hammb.....dude, what games were you watching last year. I have great respect for your posts and threads. But ....dude.hammb wrote:Ben has been coached A TON, and the Steelers have done a magnificent job with him, no doubt. Watch that game against us here and compare it to him now. He never threw spirals in college, and he was not terribly accurate either.
If what you say was true, he would have never been taken in the first round. Big Ben was awesome last year, threw great passes and was acurate. Did you watch the Miami - Marshall game? He was throwing bullets in 40 mph winds.
Let's give Ben his due. This is a guy whose work ethic is second to none. I would have loved to see him in a Browns uniform, but a working class city like Pittsburgh fits him perfectly.
