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I may be crazy but....

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:57 am
by Jabonski
I think we moved to ball better last year when we ran the ball. Maybe we should go back to the whole mobile quarterback that can get us something other than 5 yard slants and bubble screens.

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:13 am
by Tricky_Falcon
Or maybe we should try mixing it up instead of being strictly a running or a passing team. Last year every team on our schedule figured out by the first quarter of the Wisconsin game all we were going to do is run. The whole running every play scheme worked four games, not exactly stellar.

This year after one and half games every team on our schedule knew that all we are going to do is pass. People on this board in the chat room could even tell you where Tyler would be passing to before he hiked the ball. If we can do that I'm certain the MAC has figured it out.

BG Football for some reason loves to be predictable then doesn't know why teams/players have career days against us.

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:17 am
by Falcon137
This offense is just not built for a drop back and throw it passer. If Brandon wants to throw it like that we have to have a mobile QB who can pick up yards with his legs. I hate to say this because the kid is young but, Turner and Glaude can make every throw Sheehan is making right now. The 5-15 yard routes, we dont go downfield at all so Sheehan's arm strength rarely comes into play. Sheehan is the best pure QB we have but I dont think best suited for what Brandon wants to do.

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:24 am
by The Niz
Falcon137 wrote:This offense is just not built for a drop back and throw it passer. If Brandon wants to throw it like that we have to have a mobile QB who can pick up yards with his legs. I hate to say this because the kid is young but, Turner and Glaude can make every throw Sheehan is making right now. The 5-15 yard routes, we dont go downfield at all so Sheehan's arm strength rarely comes into play. Sheehan is the best pure QB we have but I dont think best suited for what Brandon wants to do.

The problem with that is, what Brandon wants to do would make Tom Brady look like a hack. The best QB in the world can't throw the ball to covered receivers.

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:27 am
by Falcon137
The Niz wrote:
Falcon137 wrote:This offense is just not built for a drop back and throw it passer. If Brandon wants to throw it like that we have to have a mobile QB who can pick up yards with his legs. I hate to say this because the kid is young but, Turner and Glaude can make every throw Sheehan is making right now. The 5-15 yard routes, we dont go downfield at all so Sheehan's arm strength rarely comes into play. Sheehan is the best pure QB we have but I dont think best suited for what Brandon wants to do.

The problem with that is, what Brandon wants to do would make Tom Brady look like a hack. The best QB in the world can't throw the ball to covered receivers.
Agreed, what I'm saying is if he wants to keep throwing it and never run the ball he needs a mobile QB. So when teams like Miami drops everyone into coverage he can take off and get 10 yards instead of taking a sack. Glaude or Turner would at least keep a D to have a spy or play honest because of their legs.

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:47 am
by Jacobs4Heisman
Personnel is not the problem.

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:50 am
by hammb
Jacobs4Heisman wrote:Personnel is not the problem.
I still think a more mobile QB is the ideal fit for this offense, but if you were to call the exact same offensive plays with Peyton Manning I'm not sure it'd be successful. I am just baffled at the offensive gameplans this staff has put together.

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:52 am
by Jacobs4Heisman
hammb wrote:
Jacobs4Heisman wrote:Personnel is not the problem.
I still think a more mobile QB is the ideal fit for this offense, but if you were to call the exact same offensive plays with Peyton Manning I'm not sure it'd be successful. I am just baffled at the offensive gameplans this staff has put together.
A more mobile QB is a better fit for the 02/03 version of the offense. For the crazy s**t Brandon wants to do and throw it 80 times a game, a mobile QB would be wasted.

A mobile QB, combined with a spread scheme that mixes the run, pass, and designed QB run is the deadliest thing an offense at our level can do. I would love to see us get back to that.

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:57 am
by Globetrotter
hammb wrote:
Jacobs4Heisman wrote:Personnel is not the problem.
I still think a more mobile QB is the ideal fit for this offense, but if you were to call the exact same offensive plays with Peyton Manning I'm not sure it'd be successful. I am just baffled at the offensive gameplans this staff has put together.
I think that the offensive gameplan is sound. I also get the feeling that they abandon it whenever anything goes amiss. And I mean anything. I get the feeling that whoever is calling the plays is ok initially and then when something doesnt go just right they never return to the run.

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:02 pm
by zeket10
Jacobs4Heisman wrote:
hammb wrote:
Jacobs4Heisman wrote:Personnel is not the problem.
I still think a more mobile QB is the ideal fit for this offense, but if you were to call the exact same offensive plays with Peyton Manning I'm not sure it'd be successful. I am just baffled at the offensive gameplans this staff has put together.
A more mobile QB is a better fit for the 02/03 version of the offense. For the crazy s**t Brandon wants to do and throw it 80 times a game, a mobile QB would be wasted.

A mobile QB, combined with a spread scheme that mixes the run, pass, and designed QB run is the deadliest thing an offense at our level can do. I would love to see us get back to that.
This staff had a chance to run a spread scheme last year, but they decided to run the ball and do dumb QB sneaks with AT. If they would have stuck with AT we wouldn't be having this coversation. We played the #1 team in the nation last year and Anthony looked better than Sheehan looked against BC.

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:08 pm
by Falcon137
zeket10 wrote:
Jacobs4Heisman wrote:
hammb wrote:
Jacobs4Heisman wrote:Personnel is not the problem.
I still think a more mobile QB is the ideal fit for this offense, but if you were to call the exact same offensive plays with Peyton Manning I'm not sure it'd be successful. I am just baffled at the offensive gameplans this staff has put together.
A more mobile QB is a better fit for the 02/03 version of the offense. For the crazy s**t Brandon wants to do and throw it 80 times a game, a mobile QB would be wasted.

A mobile QB, combined with a spread scheme that mixes the run, pass, and designed QB run is the deadliest thing an offense at our level can do. I would love to see us get back to that.
This staff had a chance to run a spread scheme last year, but they decided to run the ball and do dumb QB sneaks with AT. If they would have stuck with AT we wouldn't be having this coversation. We played the #1 team in the nation last year and Anthony looked better than Sheehan looked against BC.
Excellent point, we moved the ball much better last year against a much better D when we played Ohio St. than this year against BC. If I remember correctly AT played great except 1 bad throw (Gohlston pick). They missed a FG and had a couple other drives stall out in OSU territory.

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:15 pm
by Rollo83
AT's not the answer for this tream at QB...last year showed that. The spread offense ican be effective and gives us the best chance to win...period!

Tyler is the QB...just some growing pains....needs coached up...obviously not happening.

Please don't go back to AT running QB draws. My God that would be a step backwards.

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:34 pm
by Falcon137
I want to see Glaude get meaningful snaps!

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:42 pm
by zeket10
Why couldn't AT be going through groin pains last year. Come on you can't have a double standard, I remember many times they took AT out because they couldn't get the offense going. Then they would put in Sheehan and he would throw a pick and make the game even harder to come back, for example the Toledo game. Why don't they take Sheehan out early in the first quarter when he is having a bad game, and put AT or Glaud in? That would drive me crazy if I was the QB. Sounds like a double standard to me

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:24 pm
by Rightupinthere
zeket10 wrote:Why couldn't AT be going through groin pains last year.
I'm getting so old that I sometimes get groin pains after sneezing.