http://books.google.com/books?id=giTnIH ... E#PPA73,M1
I guess his ideas have changed!!
I guess his ideas have changed!!
Check out this article by Coach Brandon and Studrawa. It stresses balance between pass and run. Imagine that.
http://books.google.com/books?id=giTnIH ... E#PPA73,M1
http://books.google.com/books?id=giTnIH ... E#PPA73,M1
Gregg Brandon.
He's only been here since 2002, no reason to learn how to spell his name.
As far as the book goes, it's true that up until last year we had a very balanced offense. We also had some pretty good tools in Pope and to a lesser extent, Lane. Also, IMO, we don't have near the OL we had in the past. That puts the pressure on the QB to make quicker reads, something Sheehan appears to have no ability to do.
I don't know what happened to Sheehan between now and Minnesota, but if he doesn't find what made him successful early in the season, he'll be holding a clipboard while Brandon has to start looking at the Help Wanted section in the Gainesville Sun.
He's only been here since 2002, no reason to learn how to spell his name.
As far as the book goes, it's true that up until last year we had a very balanced offense. We also had some pretty good tools in Pope and to a lesser extent, Lane. Also, IMO, we don't have near the OL we had in the past. That puts the pressure on the QB to make quicker reads, something Sheehan appears to have no ability to do.
I don't know what happened to Sheehan between now and Minnesota, but if he doesn't find what made him successful early in the season, he'll be holding a clipboard while Brandon has to start looking at the Help Wanted section in the Gainesville Sun.
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Sheehan is the same player teams just figured out our play calling. I think that earlier it was a surprise to see us throw that much and it was easier for him to complete passes. Now that teams started to drop back and wait for the pass it has been harder for him to complete passes.
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You need to make the defense defend the field horizontally and vertically. Stretch them out, force them to cover more geography and the holes will be there to run through and the gaps in coverage will be there to complete passes..
As it sits right now, we don't un the ball and we don't throw it downfield. As a result, the defense can sell out the pass rush with 5-6 guys...none of them have to worry about a RB slipping past them or breaking containment. The LB's and DB's don't have to worry about defending more than 20-30 yards downfield so you have 5-6 guys roaming around in a very compressed zone. I feel very badly for guys like Partridge and Barnes who are being asked to catch 4 yd passes knowing that a 225llb LB or a 200lb safety is running up behind them at full speed with very bad intentions. You are not giving them a chance to operate and you are risking the health of two of your primary offensive weapons when you consistently throw those dinky little passes into an compressed area full of defenders.
As it sits right now, we don't un the ball and we don't throw it downfield. As a result, the defense can sell out the pass rush with 5-6 guys...none of them have to worry about a RB slipping past them or breaking containment. The LB's and DB's don't have to worry about defending more than 20-30 yards downfield so you have 5-6 guys roaming around in a very compressed zone. I feel very badly for guys like Partridge and Barnes who are being asked to catch 4 yd passes knowing that a 225llb LB or a 200lb safety is running up behind them at full speed with very bad intentions. You are not giving them a chance to operate and you are risking the health of two of your primary offensive weapons when you consistently throw those dinky little passes into an compressed area full of defenders.
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That was a great read. Does anyone have that book? I'd really like to read the complete BG chapter, it cut off a few pages in.
Much of what I saw in that excerpt seems completely gone from our offense currently. The concept of balance is definitely missing, but that excerpt talks a lot about going vertical as well. If the vertical plays are still a part of our playbook (and I cannot imagine why they would not be), then perhaps we are severely overrating our WRs? I'm curious because "All go" is obviously designed to be a vertical play, but it allows for the WRs to break off their routes if they are not able to get open deep. Seems to me that we see a LOT more of them breaking off those types of routes than we do actually going deep. Perhaps our WRs aren't able to get deep? Just a thought.
Something I've been talking about all season long and why I was hoping Glaud would get a fair shot at winning the QB battle this offseason is summed up in this passage:
From what I have observed watching our offense over the years, it falls directly in line with what the coaches are saying in this passage. Our entire running game was built upon the premise that the QB was a legit threat at running the ball himself. Without that threat it seems we're falling into the habit of exactly what the coaches themselves foresaw as a potential downfall of the spread: getting addicted to the pass and giving up on the run.
It's time for the coaches to practice what they preach.
Factman, thanks for that link, awesome stuff. Not sure why I don't remember ever seeing that before.
Much of what I saw in that excerpt seems completely gone from our offense currently. The concept of balance is definitely missing, but that excerpt talks a lot about going vertical as well. If the vertical plays are still a part of our playbook (and I cannot imagine why they would not be), then perhaps we are severely overrating our WRs? I'm curious because "All go" is obviously designed to be a vertical play, but it allows for the WRs to break off their routes if they are not able to get open deep. Seems to me that we see a LOT more of them breaking off those types of routes than we do actually going deep. Perhaps our WRs aren't able to get deep? Just a thought.
Something I've been talking about all season long and why I was hoping Glaud would get a fair shot at winning the QB battle this offseason is summed up in this passage:
This offense can be a ball-control offense with the potential to create big plays at any time. The running game is critical in this offense, and the quarterback is the secret ingredient in the running game. The defense has to be accountable for the tailback as well as the quarterback at all times.
From what I have observed watching our offense over the years, it falls directly in line with what the coaches are saying in this passage. Our entire running game was built upon the premise that the QB was a legit threat at running the ball himself. Without that threat it seems we're falling into the habit of exactly what the coaches themselves foresaw as a potential downfall of the spread: getting addicted to the pass and giving up on the run.
It's time for the coaches to practice what they preach.
Factman, thanks for that link, awesome stuff. Not sure why I don't remember ever seeing that before.
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There are several variations of the spread and you have to adapt yours to your personnel.
Sometimes you have the WV spread which is the run/option first and then you mix in the pass.
Then there is the Utah Spread which is dink and dunk passing with the QB running the ball most of the time
There is the Boise State Spread... which is chucking the ball down the field and quick hitting running plays.
I didnt see any of those characteristics this weekend out of BG. I saw the dinking of passes but that was it. Im pretty sure Tyler has a big enough arm to stretch the field but perhaps he was gun shy after the BC game?
The premise behind the spread or West Coast offense was to take advantage of what the defense gives you. You come to the line with two similiar but different plays called. Depending on what you see is what you run.
Sometimes you have the WV spread which is the run/option first and then you mix in the pass.
Then there is the Utah Spread which is dink and dunk passing with the QB running the ball most of the time
There is the Boise State Spread... which is chucking the ball down the field and quick hitting running plays.
I didnt see any of those characteristics this weekend out of BG. I saw the dinking of passes but that was it. Im pretty sure Tyler has a big enough arm to stretch the field but perhaps he was gun shy after the BC game?
The premise behind the spread or West Coast offense was to take advantage of what the defense gives you. You come to the line with two similiar but different plays called. Depending on what you see is what you run.
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MACMAN
BGDrew wrote:Gregg Brandon.
He's only been here since 2002, no reason to learn how to spell his name.
As far as the book goes, it's true that up until last year we had a very balanced offense. We also had some pretty good tools in Pope and to a lesser extent, Lane. Also, IMO, we don't have near the OL we had in the past. That puts the pressure on the QB to make quicker reads, something Sheehan appears to have no ability to do.
I don't know what happened to Sheehan between now and Minnesota, but if he doesn't find what made him successful early in the season, he'll be holding a clipboard while Brandon has to start looking at the Help Wanted section in the Gainesville Sun.
Its not TS Ts is a very good QB, the "system" and HIGH LEVEL OF PREDICTABILITY that its fallen into that is failing him, its to predictable. You put that kid in a prostyle O and he will thrive...I for one would wellcome taking this season and injecting it and dealling with it as a development year.
however, I dont think it will happen, what i think we will see is TS being abandoned to the bench and AG or god help us,,,,AT in the game, playing the josh harris esc running QB...
anyway there are several basic choices here and GB will pick one of them and it will be what it is.
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Well, once you take away the rest of the crap he wrote, I agree with Macman once again here. We're simply too predictable on O right now. It's a problem that should be easily correctable, but who knows. Our coaching staff has shown once they like a certain play or kind of attack, they tend to beat it to death and then some.MACMAN wrote:BGDrew wrote:Gregg Brandon.
He's only been here since 2002, no reason to learn how to spell his name.
As far as the book goes, it's true that up until last year we had a very balanced offense. We also had some pretty good tools in Pope and to a lesser extent, Lane. Also, IMO, we don't have near the OL we had in the past. That puts the pressure on the QB to make quicker reads, something Sheehan appears to have no ability to do.
I don't know what happened to Sheehan between now and Minnesota, but if he doesn't find what made him successful early in the season, he'll be holding a clipboard while Brandon has to start looking at the Help Wanted section in the Gainesville Sun.
Its not TS Ts is a very good QB, the "system" and HIGH LEVEL OF PREDICTABILITY that its fallen into that is failing him, its to predictable.
As for the WRs not being able to get deep, I don't think its that. I've heard lack of speed, lack of jumping ability, not strong enough against bump coverage, etc, but I don't think that's it. The most important aspect of playing WR (other than being able to catch the football) is knowing where to find the holes in the defense and getting there, and I think our WRs do that pretty well. What kills us is that Tyler Sheehan is a TERRIBLE deep thrower. That pass he threw out of bounds with Knight WIDE OPEN IN THE END ZONE last week was the perfect exhibit. Unless TS can get better throwing deep, we're not going to throw deep, and nor should we. Period.
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He also threw a damn nice TD pass Saturday as well.Jacobs4Heisman wrote:Glaud threw a nice deep ball in the spring game. I have no clue if that was a fluke or if he has a nice deep arm on him.
Of course he was pretty erratic on some of his other throws Saturday too, so who knows.
When I read that article I just find it so hard to believe that this is the same guy that's currently in charge. He goes out of his way to say how the common mistake in the spread is to overthrow it and abandon the run. Now he's doing the exact same thing.
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bgsufalcon24 wrote:Well, once you take away the rest of the crap he wrote, I agree with Macman once again here. We're simply too predictable on O right now. It's a problem that should be easily correctable, but who knows. Our coaching staff has shown once they like a certain play or kind of attack, they tend to beat it to death and then some.MACMAN wrote:BGDrew wrote:Gregg Brandon.
He's only been here since 2002, no reason to learn how to spell his name.
As far as the book goes, it's true that up until last year we had a very balanced offense. We also had some pretty good tools in Pope and to a lesser extent, Lane. Also, IMO, we don't have near the OL we had in the past. That puts the pressure on the QB to make quicker reads, something Sheehan appears to have no ability to do.
I don't know what happened to Sheehan between now and Minnesota, but if he doesn't find what made him successful early in the season, he'll be holding a clipboard while Brandon has to start looking at the Help Wanted section in the Gainesville Sun.
Its not TS Ts is a very good QB, the "system" and HIGH LEVEL OF PREDICTABILITY that its fallen into that is failing him, its to predictable.
As for the WRs not being able to get deep, I don't think its that. I've heard lack of speed, lack of jumping ability, not strong enough against bump coverage, etc, but I don't think that's it. The most important aspect of playing WR (other than being able to catch the football) is knowing where to find the holes in the defense and getting there, and I think our WRs do that pretty well. What kills us is that Tyler Sheehan is a TERRIBLE deep thrower. That pass he threw out of bounds with Knight WIDE OPEN IN THE END ZONE last week was the perfect exhibit. Unless TS can get better throwing deep, we're not going to throw deep, and nor should we.
Period.
Curious as to which part represents all the crap? is that you find TS to be a bad a QB or that you dont thing our O is predictable....that is all I wrote?
