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I have always supported Brandon but..
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:01 pm
by 60yearsofsicsic
I really think a lot of people overeact, when it comes to coaching changes and I can name many examples of schools who did not overeact and everything turned out okay. HOWEVER, there are several things that should be noted about the Brandon Tenure....
1. He has had some issue with player with off the field trouble....I know every program has these however they have been more frequent in the last few years.
2. I dont care if you have to personally watch your team study for finals exams... not having 4 important players not on the field due to academic issues is a problem.
3. I think several people have pointed this out, but Brandon never has his team prepared for BIG games ( He seems to rely on superior talent and has never out coached anyone)... Most coaches with decent recruiting and a brain can beat programs like (EMU Temple Kent ect)
4. Brandon rubs a lot of people in the administration the wrong way and he is considered a nuisance in many circles I worked in several major administraive office during my time at BG and eveytime Brandon spoke to students or made a public appearance, he does something or says something to the students that embarasses the administration...
(ig saying FU** in the middle of campus fest)
5. Finally, I dont know what everyone else thinks, but I think GC might want to put "his" coach in place and might be looking for an excuse to let GB go.
I am not saying fire him,,, wait yea... I guess for the 1st time I say let him resign if he likes, but fire him if not.
The next coach...
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:09 pm
by daspollak
Here is a question. If we fire GB, who do we get to replace him? What should we look for in a coach, should they be offensively orientated or should they be defensively minded? To be honest with what BG pays coaches I do not know if there is a better one out there. Even if we do find them, we cannot hold onto them if we do not pay them. I am curious what everyone on this site will want in a coach.
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:12 pm
by Jacobs4Heisman
We simply can't do any better for the price. The only way axing Brandon does any good is if we were to go out and aggressively look for the next guy (BCS co-ordinator with good rep) and commit to paying him. I'm talking double what Brandon makes. At least.
Otherwise, this is all just more mental masturbation.
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:44 pm
by Eric
I'm actually with you guys. Even though I'm an outsider concerning Bowling Green, they looked hideously unprepared. As unprepared a team as I have ever seen. Bowling Green isn't as terrible as they looked in the GMAC Bowl. Brandon has to take the fault for that.
I'm feeling the same thing with Butch Jones. CMU took a step back and I think Central will be following the same path BGSU was after Urban Meyer left. They basically promoted from within even though Butch Jones was from West Virginia (he was on CMU's staff at one point), and there will be a downward progression in Mount Pleasant.
I'm not saying Bowling Green is "down" but compared to the Meyer years....I know the guy was there for two seasons but he basically built the 2003 team. Brandon just lived off of the success that Meyer had created. I think the Falcons have to find a good coach soon or they might not keep their current status.
That's the nature of the beast though. MAC salaries are so low it's ridiculous. It would be tough to bring in a top-tier coach and keep him for long.
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:52 pm
by jmillerbg
Judging by the contracts the CUSA coaches are now getting (Tulas's coach getting $1 million and SMU reportedly paying close to $2 million for their new coach) I think we would have to pay at least $275k to $350k or so in order to get a current BCS conference coordinator in here as a head coach.
We could perhaps go a little cheaper and look for a BCS conference position coach (like when Meyer was hired). An example would be Billy Gonzalez (current Florida WR coach formerly with BG for seven seasons under Blackney & Meyer), but he currently makes $170 a UF as a POSITION COACH. I only use Gonzalez as an example because I have seen his name mentioned in these type of threads before.
Here is the source for Gonzalez's salary:
http://www.gatorsports.com/article/2007 ... 1/70710021
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:04 pm
by BGGrad01
I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but where are these CUSA schools pulling this money from? SMU, for example, has been awful for 20 years (last bowl in 1984), but they're going to pay Jones $2M. Tulsa pays Graham $1M and I am sure George O'Leary is making good change at UCF. These are not powerhouse schools and they have to compete with powerhouses in-state for $$ also. SMU deals with Texas, Tulsa deals with Oklahoma, and UCF deals with Florida much like we deal with Ohio State. What are they doing that we aren't doing? It don't think it is from ticket sales - Tulsa averaged 21k in '06 (I am sure that was higher this year) and SMU averaged 15k last year. Their travel costs are much higher than ours as well. If they can do it, why can't we?
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:00 pm
by h2oville rocket
Big money donors.
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:16 pm
by jmillerbg
h2oville rocket wrote:Big money donors.
Bingo - I read today that SMU is able to pay $2 million a year because the AD convinced 20 donors to pay $100 thousand a year for five years to cover the cost of the contract - so in effect the school is getting a coach for "free" - until you factor in that those donors will likely reduce their other giving (I would guess) and the school will probably be paying the assisstants better than average mid major salaries.
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:13 pm
by daspollak
I know I began posting the question, but after watching the game again "if" we do fire GB I would love for us to bring Tulsa offensive coordinator onto our staff. He could make good use out of our talent, and possibly give us an X factor when facing BCS teams. He is offensive minded which is the mold that we have gone the past few coaches, but he innovative and creative with limited talent. (Tulsa had a few better athletes, but were not that much more talented than us. Just more experienced.) I want to stand behind GB but the more I think of all of the big games I have experienced while he has been at the helm, I think its time for some new blood at the top.
P.S. When I see Urban Meyer on TV I would do just about anything to have him back.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:16 am
by takeoffeh
We have to put up the $$ to get a better coach. Our team wasn't prepared. We had the talent, and we were good enough to compete, if not win. But the team wasn't prepared. It's not that Tulsa had better athlete's than we had, they were more prepared. That starts with coaching. Also, You also have to be willing to pay good money for assistant and position coaches as well. Look at the Blackney era, heck the 1st 4 years of his tenure, he did great, but he also had a great assistant and position coaches. (3 of which are coaching in the NFL currently). My point is, if we want to take the program to the next level, we have to offer some good money. Maybe the AD needs to be looked at. If CUSA can pay these good salaries, the MAC schools should as well, else we'll be left in the rubble.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:51 am
by daspollak
Can someone please tell me how the coach can prevent four fumbles and not capitalizing on wide open receivers in his preparations. I would really like to hear the excuses. GB is not a big game coach, but he can deliver us 7-8 wins each year.
As far as money goes BG does not have the money to compete with larger programs. We will always be a stepping stone for a good coach. I do not believe we have the alumini $$$ to bring in a decent coach. I would love to see BG go after a coach who has falling from grace from a top program, like Mike Price or go after a top coordinator who can bring a lot to the table. Either way we will lose them in 4-5 years, but during that time we have the chance to raise our programs status.
P.S. This loss will only be talked about on this message board for a while. Most people did not watch the game, and do not care about what happened to two teams they cannot even locate. I live in Charlotte and the bar I was in when the game started did not have the game on until I asked. Even then I only got a small TV to watch it on as UNC-Clemson was the event that night. Sure this will be a punch line in the MAC, but 8 wins is nothing to be ashamed of, and I look for better next year.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:27 am
by MACMAN
Now this is just funny.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:38 am
by takeoffeh
I agree, 8 wins isn't anything to be ashamed of. But the fumbles, lack of hitting or identifying the open receivers, that's lack of preparation. Basic fundamentals. Getting the QB to go through the correct progressions, getting the running backs to secure the ball properly. They looked rusty and slow out there. It happens. But it does fall back on the coaches, that's the nature of the beast.
As for Alumni, they have the funds. IMO, Mac schools should be able to match salaries with CUSA. They need to.
And I agree, this loss will only be talked about for a while. Most people didn't watch the game. But it still sucks. But hey, they'll be working out the issues of what went right and what went wrong. Hopefully they can improve for the 08 season. I'm not taking my window sticker out of my car, I'm still donating to the University. This was just a bad loss. Here's to 2008!!
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:46 am
by transfer2BGSU
daspollak wrote:I know I began posting the question, but after watching the game again "if" we do fire GB I would love for us to bring Tulsa offensive coordinator onto our staff. He could make good use out of our talent, and possibly give us an X factor when facing BCS teams. He is offensive minded which is the mold that we have gone the past few coaches, but he innovative and creative with limited talent.
Maybe I'm looking at things completely wrong, but I do not see the need to hire someone with an offensive mindset. It appears to me that our major problem is DEFENSE.
People used to talk about how terrible a DC Tim Beckman was, but lets go back and look at our D while Beckman was in charge and how it has been since people got their wish and Beckman left. The grass did not get greener for BG, yet a guy who was said to be a bad DC has moved onto bigger and better things. Why in the world would OSU hire him to be the DC after his performance at BGSU? Probably because he actually is a good coach.
Keep thinking offense, offense, offense, but in reality we have major work to do with our DEFENSE.
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:03 pm
by daspollak
transfer2BGSU wrote:daspollak wrote:I know I began posting the question, but after watching the game again "if" we do fire GB I would love for us to bring Tulsa offensive coordinator onto our staff. He could make good use out of our talent, and possibly give us an X factor when facing BCS teams. He is offensive minded which is the mold that we have gone the past few coaches, but he innovative and creative with limited talent.
Maybe I'm looking at things completely wrong, but I do not see the need to hire someone with an offensive mindset. It appears to me that our major problem is DEFENSE.
People used to talk about how terrible a DC Tim Beckman was, but lets go back and look at our D while Beckman was in charge and how it has been since people got their wish and Beckman left. The grass did not get greener for BG, yet a guy who was said to be a bad DC has moved onto bigger and better things. Why in the world would OSU hire him to be the DC after his performance at BGSU? Probably because he actually is a good coach.
Keep thinking offense, offense, offense, but in reality we have major work to do with our DEFENSE.
Defense would be nice, but a lights out offense will put you on SportsCenter. Since Meyer when you think BG you think offense. Besides they are more fun to watch that way.