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Coaching Staff made some bad calls

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:50 am
by Anonymous
Ok. I have not read through all the messages yet but a few things ticked me off.

1. Getting pushed down 7 steps by some unruly Toledo fans in the first half.

2. Had a special parking permit but could not park in the lot because students still had their cars in the lot.

3. Need more port-a-potties


BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, OUR COACHING STAFF!!!!


1. Our running game was awesome the first half. Anytime we need a first down we got it. Pope, Lane, Harris. Snapping the ball directly to Pope several times was great. So with us up by twenty points at half time and 13 with 10:00 to go, why the hell did we stop running the ball. We ran on the first play of the second half, lost 1 yard, and then only ran the ball 9 more times, YES 9 times in the second half!!! We should have been smashing the ball down UT throat, controlling the clock. Dont let one bad run make you go away from the running game. This was just bad coaching decisions.

2. Secondly, Jacobs said he complained from the very beginning that he could not grip the balls. Said they were over-inflated. If that is the case, then why did they constantly try going deep in the second half. Throwing a 30 yard incomplete pass on first or second down but you in a 3rd and long situation. Once again, should have ran the ball more. Bad decision making.

3. Onside kick with 3:30 left. What was our coaches thinking. We just stopped Toledo finally two times n a row in the second half. And then after our TD Brandon decided to onside kick the ball. The defense had stopped Toledo twice the previous two drives. The defense looked pumped up. So I dont understand why we onside kicked the ball. It gave Toledo the ball at our 40 yard line, instead of their 20. Our defense would have stopped them back there. They would have been more fired up. By us onside kicking the ball, it told the defense that the coaching staff DID NOT HAVE FAITH IN THEM! As a former football player this is what I would assume. By them onside kicking it the defense did not play the same. We had all 3 timeouts left. We should have kicked the ball deep. Another bad coaching decision.

I think Coach Brandon and his staff are excellent coaches but I feel we were simply OUTCOACHED the second half by the hostess twinkie!!! What do you all think about my coaching comments??

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:05 pm
by Anonymous
I guess no one agrees with me, or my post was too long

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:06 pm
by rc_ziggy84
A lot of posts already have these topics. We hashed them out pretty long and hard last night.

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:15 pm
by Anonymous
Like I said I have not read all the posts yet. Was pissed off that my car got towed. I only parked it where I was told I could park. Just a bad night. Toledo fans disrespectful during National Anthem. One guy pushed me who was drunk, had a bottle under his coat, and I fell down a few steps. Then to have us unfold. Guess I will just have to go back and read all the posts.

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:16 pm
by hammb
Sorry '72. I agree with a lot of what you said, but as was mentioned most of it is being hashed and rehashed on various other threads.

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:25 pm
by Rollo83
Again, first onside kick was absolutely the right call. Don't care about the defense's mental state at that point! They hadn't stopped Toledo at all in the second half. The previous series Toledo stopped themsleves with conservative play calling. Numnutz wasn't going to make that mistake again. With 3 minutes letf and all of out timeouts left, we were only sacraficing about 25 yards in field position. We had to stop them and score no matter where they recovered the ball. As it turns out, this enabled us to get a second bonus chance at an onside kick about 2 minutes later.

I can question a lot of the coaches decisions, but not this one!

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:29 pm
by Anonymous
Roll-o, thats just it though. You are wrong. WE HAD all of our timeout left. So pinning them deep, even if they got 1 first down we still would have had the ball back with about 2 minutes left, and maybe 60 yards to go. WE HAD ALL OF OUR TIMEOUTS, thats why you kick it deep

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:36 pm
by doughash
I can't fault Brandon for the onside kick. We only stopped Toledo once in the 2nd half and the last drive Toledo had before BG tried the onside kick they went 80 yards in 11 plays for a TD, the last 10 being running plays. Thats the sign of a tired defense. We still had the chance to stop them after the onside kick and couldn't do it.

Should we have run the ball more in the 2nd half? Yeah looking back I think thats a fair assessment but no guarantee that it would have changed the outcome.

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 1:06 pm
by Schadenfreude
I didn't agree with the first onside kick call. But it worked out well.

As it happened, we got a chance to try a second onside kick.

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:49 pm
by Rollo83
Roll-o, thats just it though. You are wrong. WE HAD all of our timeout left. So pinning them deep, even if they got 1 first down we still would have had the ball back with about 2 minutes left, and maybe 60 yards to go. WE HAD ALL OF OUR TIMEOUTS, thats why you kick it deep

Pinning them deep? Where do you get the ideal that we had a good chance of "pinning them deep?" If the end zone hadn't come about, McDougle would still be running on his TD run.

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:58 pm
by Jacobs4Heisman
I have to agree with 72 on this one. On side kick with 3:30 left and all three timeouts, down by one score is a dumb coaching move....period. I don't care what the second half was like, we had the number one defense in the mac and you have to have faith in your team to get a stop when the season is on the line. on side kicks have about a 15% chance of being recovered by the kicking team and to pin all your team's season hopes on a 1 in 7 gamble is just stupid. Bottom line is we did stop them, but since they were on our 35, they went for it on fourth and you know how that story ended. I think amstutz had enough faith in his running game he would have run it from his own 30 three times and punted it off. if that's the case, i think the game comes down to our two point conversion instead of a 15% gamble.

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 7:20 pm
by rc_ziggy84
I agree as well. With all 3 timeouts and 3:30 still to go you kick the ball away, no two ways about it. With the first kick you pretty much conceed a TD? Yeah that's the right attitude to have and to show your team. Kick it deep and tell the D to kick it into high gear.

On a similar note I appologize for my attitude and getting on Brandon's case so much. It was just one game... No one is perfect and I was expecting perfection. I'm sorry AZZer's, I'm sorry Gregg Brandon.

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 7:21 pm
by rc_ziggy84
Rollo83 wrote: If the end zone hadn't come about, McDougle would still be running on his TD run.
Is that before or after he steps out of bounds twice?

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 8:14 pm
by Rollo83
I don't care what the second half was like, we had the number one defense in the mac and you have to have faith in your team to get a stop when the season is on the line.
The number one defense in the MAC had just given up six touchdown drives in less than 27 minutes of football. You have to take your gamble (no matter how low the odds) at that point. You have no guarantee that you will get the ball back and have another shot. PLus we are only talking about 25 yards of field position.

Critize him for other moves, but onside kick was the correct call.