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Ok ok ok I'm going to preface this by saying I'm not out to look for excuses. We got outplay & outcoached plain and simple. But did anyone else think the officiating was attroachous?

1. Magner getting a two handed shove in the endzone on a would be TD.

2. Scooter McDougle stepping out once if not twice on his last TD.

3. UT's O-line getting away with murder on all of Grad's play action roll-outs

4. Mayberry's pass interference on what was his best defense of the day (in the second half, pass over the middle he broke up)

5. The phantom false start on Warren 4th and goal from the 1 (we scored regardless)

6. Steve Sanders getting mugged (the very play after #1)


I could probably go on too. There were calls in the first half that went our way too which were blatantly bad. Where they spotted the ball for both teams had a +/- 2 yd margin of error. I think for such a big game the MAC would provide better officials than what were had. My thoughts... again not an excuse for our play!

i agree except for #4 -- he pulled jersey with his off hand -- obvious call imo

I questioned some calls... but I didn't think officiating was that bad.

Nothing rose to the level of the phantom fumble at NIU.

On nearly every one of Toledo's big plays, there was holding of some sort. Generally I thought it was pretty obvious. Every time they showed Kaczur making a "great block," he had at least one handful of jersey.

Also, how about Omar getting dragged down by his head?

guys i would like to point out one thing... people complain about holding calls when they lose. We lost, bring up bad calls there are bad calls in every game but when it comes down to it they beat us.

Good call BACN (get it?). I don't think they called holding any differently than it is usually called. The better team on Tuesday won the game, and we can't change that (as people keep telling me).

You're absolutely right, especially on #1 and #2. We got away with both. Luckily the bad officiating went both ways. The refs weren't calling holding on *anybody* that game.

-Dan

Exactly as I said. We got beat first and foremost. I was disappointed in the officiating as well, but even with all the correct calls being made, we still lose. Just showing my disappointment that's all

rc_ziggy84 wrote:1. Magner getting a two handed shove in the endzone on a would be TD.

I saw it too, and at first I was really angry there was no call, but it seemed like the ball landed about three feet out of bounds. I really like Magner, I think he's a hell of a football player, but unless his arms are four feet long, I think calling that pass "uncatchable" was a pretty reasonable call.

OTOH, I only saw it the one time. Maybe it was a closer play than it looked from where I was sitting.

I agree, the officials (especially the side judge) were pretty brutal, but they weren't the reason BG gave up 35 unanswered points.

*sigh*

This one really hurts. A lot.

But I feel confident that next year will dull a lot of this pain the same way the last four years have made us forget what it was like to lose back-to-back games against Buffalo and Temple in 2000.

the biggest thing that I saw, was that Toledo was constantly downfield on their screen plays, linemen were way past the line of scrimmage. There was also blatant holding on Toledo's linemen. They have been doing the same stuff all year, so I dont know if anyone will call them on it.

What about Magner's one hopper in the first quarter. Haven't seen that since Allen Trammell. No Complaints from the Orange?

The other guys are right. When you start complaining about holding and pass interference you probably lost. A fumble caused by the ground, pass caught out of bounds, a one hop reception, a step on the sideline.... those are legit.

rc_ziggy84 wrote:Ok ok ok I'm going to preface this by saying I'm not out to look for excuses. We got outplay & outcoached plain and simple. But did anyone else think the officiating was attroachous?

1. Magner getting a two handed shove in the endzone on a would be TD.

2. Scooter McDougle stepping out once if not twice on his last TD.

3. UT's O-line getting away with murder on all of Grad's play action roll-outs

4. Mayberry's pass interference on what was his best defense of the day (in the second half, pass over the middle he broke up)

5. The phantom false start on Warren 4th and goal from the 1 (we scored regardless)

6. Steve Sanders getting mugged (the very play after #1)


I could probably go on too. There were calls in the first half that went our way too which were blatantly bad. Where they spotted the ball for both teams had a +/- 2 yd margin of error. I think for such a big game the MAC would provide better officials than what were had. My thoughts... again not an excuse for our play!

1. That was my first thought as well. But after seeing replays, Magner was WAY out of bounds. The shove wasn't that much but there is no way he could have caught that ball and stayed in bounds, so the call was irrelevant.

2. Yes he did step out, but that was to our advantage that they gave him the TD. If they call him out, UT could have just about run out the clock. As it was, we scored and had another shot at an on-side kick.

3. I think that stuff goes both ways, so I am not going to complain about any holding calls that weren't made against UT.

4. It was close, but he had his back arm on the guy. He made a great play to go up to defend the ball, but I think he was pulling him with his left hand.

5. No phantom call there. And it was on Lichtensteiger (Ziggy forgive me if I misspelled that ) He plays LG and ways pulling to the right on the play. It was obvious on the replays that he moved early.

6. It looked like the DB did a big club across Sanders' arms and kept him from reaching out to try to catch the ball. They never showed a good replay of it so I am not sure on this one.

Ref's were bad, but it went both ways. Like the "fumble" on the kickoff that led to BG's 2nd TD. OJ was visibly rattled and the coaches panicked.