Bad Spot on third down?

[Warthog]

I know everyone will remember the big fourth down play at the end of the game. But what about the third down play before it? Sheehan did a nice job scrambling and getting as much as he could out of it. From my vantage point, it looked like he stretched it out pretty good and got close to the first down. Then the referee comes in and marks it at the 14 (needed the 12 for the first down). At the time I thought that was a bad spot, but it hard to see from so far away. Then I was looking at the photos on bgsufalcons.com this morning and I think I was right. Check out photo 66 and tell me how the hell the ref spotted that at the 14.

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His back foot is on the fifteen. His front foot is on the 14 already and the ball is out in front of him. And he is still a few feet from going out of bounds. I know it isn't the right angle to be clear, but just from his body position, I am confident the ball is inside the 14 already and he is still moving forward. Just another horrible call by the officials.

[h2oville rocket]

Play was right in front of me and I turned to my daughter and said "Well, they got the first down so they'll probably score now". Looked like they were set back almost two yards, don't know if he stepped out then back in or what but it looked like he made it.

[Tricky_Falcon]

The refs left a lot to be desired. Clawson was in their ears most of the game pleading his case.

[Warthog]

Play was right in front of me and I turned to my daughter and said "Well, they got the first down so they'll probably score now". Looked like they were set back almost two yards, don't know if he stepped out then back in or what but it looked like he made it.

I was kind of thinking that maybe he did step out near the 14, but the spot still goes to where the ball is when he stepped out. But then that picture also makes me think he didn't even step out until he was inside the 14. Either way, we can't go back and change it so it doesn't really matter. Just one more thing to be unhappy about.

Can you challenge/review the spot of the ball in college?

[Falcon137]

Can you challenge/review the spot of the ball in college?

Yes

[Warthog]

Can you challenge/review the spot of the ball in college?

Yes

That was with less than two minutes to go. I know in the pros that all reviews come from the booth with less than minutes to play. Does that have to come from the booth in college or could we have challenged?

[Falcon137]

Can you challenge/review the spot of the ball in college?

Yes

That was with less than two minutes to go. I know in the pros that all reviews come from the booth with less than minutes to play. Does that have to come from the booth in college or could we have challenged?

We could have challenged. As far as I know there is no time rule to when you can challenge, as long as you have a timeout.

[Flipper]

I dvr'd the game on BCSN...the camera angles aren't the best, but sitting here watching it on replay, it looks like they spotted ball where his foot went out of bounds and not the ball...it looks like it should have been spotted a bit closer to the 13...maybe a hair inisde it. Part of the problem is that Tyler's foot was out of bounds as he was stretching fully. Six more inches of space along the sideline and it's definitely a first down. He lands beyond the spot...but it looks like the ball is just short of the marker when his foot goes out.

I think we got screwed on the spot by about a half a yard. Bottom line? Because we don't have the personnel or attitude needed to get a yard or so up the gut when we need it, we had to throw a slant to the hot guy because the blitz was on and we didn't have anyone to pick it up. Listening to Tom Cole call a game on BCSN is like having a needle shoved into your brain (if I hear the officials referred to as "stripers" one more time I';m getting a rifle and heading to the mall). But even Tommy nails it when he says we simply aren't physical enough to run a jumbo formation and pound it out for a yard. Eight or nine years ago when the spread was novel you could get away with being more one dimensional...relying on the defense's inabilty to defend the field horizontally and vertically. Defenses have caught up to that game...

[hammb]

During the game I thought BG received a ton of breaks from the officials as well. Calling an illegal man downfield penalty on a long TD comes to mind. There were also holds that we got away with among other things.

Bottom line was that the officiating was REALLY bad last night, on both sides. I don't think either team benefited from it.

[TG1996]

During the game I thought BG received a ton of breaks from the officials as well. Calling an illegal man downfield penalty on a long TD comes to mind. There were also holds that we got away with among other things.

Bottom line was that the officiating was REALLY bad last night, on both sides. I don't think either team benefited from it.

At least we knew that they took their time to sit down and discuss each and every call to make sure they considered every possibility of what they may have seen before making a call.

I was waiting for them to come out of one of their little huddles and call "roughing the kicker" after a draw play.

[hammb]

During the game I thought BG received a ton of breaks from the officials as well. Calling an illegal man downfield penalty on a long TD comes to mind. There were also holds that we got away with among other things.

Bottom line was that the officiating was REALLY bad last night, on both sides. I don't think either team benefited from it.

At least we knew that they took their time to sit down and discuss each and every call to make sure they considered every possibility of what they may have seen before making a call.

I was waiting for them to come out of one of their little huddles and call "roughing the kicker" after a draw play.

They certainly took their sweet ass time...

[h2oville rocket]

I commented on our board about the same thing in the UT-BSU game- huddle after huddle amongst the refs- maybe with teams going to the spread they just miss huddles? I'm all for getting it right but every call needn't be discussed.

[JohnnySwoop '85]

Its amazing how many AZZers are sitting right near you and not knowing it....as I too was in the front row of Section 9 to see this exact play.

I thought it was a first down and only would have been surprised if it came up inches short. The reason why was the strip they lay on the field to show where you need to get to looked like it was at the 14. So if you are a QB and on a dead out run to get the first your only visual cue is that strip-marker for what you need to aim at.

I was astounded that when they cleaned everything up it was layed down a full two yards beyond where the ball was....yet another WTF moment from this past Saturday.

[h2oville rocket]

I keep thinking there is some laser application for first down markers. A beam to shoot across the fieldat the point where a first down would be gained. Then there's no need for chains to come out for measurement-if the beam hits the ball- First Down. there would have to be some kind of track along the field for the laser to move back and forth and it would no doubt be expensive but it gives me something to shoot for in my retirement. Any of you who attended BG's Engineering school feel free to tinker with this.

[Pete Segaard]

I keep thinking there is some laser application for first down markers. A beam to shoot across the fieldat the point where a first down would be gained. Then there's no need for chains to come out for measurement-if the beam hits the ball- First Down. there would have to be some kind of track along the field for the laser to move back and forth and it would no doubt be expensive but it gives me something to shoot for in my retirement. Any of you who attended BG's Engineering school feel free to tinker with this.

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