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Okay...you can yell at me for finding the negative in our great win last night, but I think this needs talking about as it could be our achilles' heel if we're going to contend for a championship this year.

Matt has to play better. Period.

Sooner or later we're going to face a team that is going to load up the box and take away our run game.

I will give him credit for managing the game well and not making any turnovers, but his mechanics last night were troubling. His feet were never set when he threw and he missed several wide open receivers. Hopefully this will be apparent on the game film and be worked on, but in his third year he should be much more polished in the pocket by now.

7/17 for 91 yards is not gonna cut it on most nights. Especially when 55 came one one play...one in which his throw was actually pretty bad. Although, he made an awesome ball fake and was most likely just being safe with the throw. I also thought he overthrew a pretty much wide open Gallon on the Hail Mary at the end of the half.

Otherwise, it was so sweet to beat Ohio. They actually had a couple fans on the MACbbs board predicting a 30 point victory...lol

He's been off on some throws...his Wr's have been off on routes. It is a concern that they haven't meshed better....and I understand that they've been working together on the side to get in sync. I don't think you can fault him too much on that hail mary throw...it's a long throw and he missed him long by less than five yards...

This was the first time I've really gotten to see the team this year and I was really surprised at how out of sync the passing game seemed at times. I thought Schilz played overall pretty well last year and I fully expected him to step up and be a QB that can lead this year. Kind of disappointed it in what I saw.

That said, kudos to the offensive coaching staff for finally realizing the type of offense we should be. We have way too much RB talent to be passing the ball 40 times a game. Run the ball, and chuck it deep off play action. It worked last night and it will continue to work in the MAC. Matt's got a good arm and can stretch the field...I think that alone will continue to keep the running lanes open for Samuel. There just isn't enough defense in the MAC to stop a running team that can also push the ball downfield when need be.

Defense was awesome, as I expected, and it was great to see that punt rush work so well also. Can't wait to get out to the Doyt for the KSU game.

Redwingtom wrote:Okay...you can yell at me for finding the negative in our great win last night, but I think this needs talking about as it could be our achilles' heel if we're going to contend for a championship this year.

Matt has to play better. Period.

Sooner or later we're going to face a team that is going to load up the box and take away our run game.

I will give him credit for managing the game well and not making any turnovers, but his mechanics last night were troubling. His feet were never set when he threw and he missed several wide open receivers. Hopefully this will be apparent on the game film and be worked on, but in his third year he should be much more polished in the pocket by now.

7/17 for 91 yards is not gonna cut it on most nights. Especially when 55 came one one play...one in which his throw was actually pretty bad. Although, he made an awesome ball fake and was most likely just being safe with the throw. I also thought he overthrew a pretty much wide open Gallon on the Hail Mary at the end of the half.

Otherwise, it was so sweet to beat Ohio. They actually had a couple fans on the MACbbs board predicting a 30 point victory...lol

First of all a great win last night. Holding Ohio to 14 points is quite an accomplishment given their success this season and all the people crying that teams we have beaten have terrible records can shut up. When they marched down the field to go up 7-0 and we went 3 to start the game I was worried. Heck of a job by the defense to cause 3 and outs and let us find our running game and the forcing Ohio to make errors on Special Teams.


To win the MAC we still have to beat Kent, UB and NIU/UT. We already know that Toledo can score and I think Kent and NIU are better or at least on par with Toledo. While I think the defense has improved since the UT game greatly, Toledo did cause some speed mismatches on the outside that really hurt us.

While I have never been impressed with Schilz I do think the blame is shared between him and the Wide Receivers. Regardless of who is to blame it is concerning that they look more out of sync in week 10 than they did in weeks 1-3. They are not young after starting 10 games.

I haven't been buying that we are shutting the playbook down and protecting leads and not showing our hand theory. At some point you have to actually run the offense so you know you can when and if you need it. In reality our great running game should make our passing game very efficient. Right now we are far better off running the ball on third and 6 than passing on third and 6. I said last night that when the defense knows a pass is coming Schilz and the receivers look awful. He is at his best when he can fake to the RB and suck in the defense on first and second down. If he is throwing on the run or moving at all just forget about it.

I love Samuel. It's been awhile since there was an offense BG player that is fun to watch. He turns negative gains into first downs. Last night he showed he can be a workhorse. Very impressive.

Martin, Thomas and McKoy also deserve some love as they were all over the place last night.

kdog27 wrote:

Redwingtom wrote:Okay...you can yell at me for finding the negative in our great win last night, but I think this needs talking about as it could be our achilles' heel if we're going to contend for a championship this year.

Matt has to play better. Period.

Sooner or later we're going to face a team that is going to load up the box and take away our run game.

I will give him credit for managing the game well and not making any turnovers, but his mechanics last night were troubling. His feet were never set when he threw and he missed several wide open receivers. Hopefully this will be apparent on the game film and be worked on, but in his third year he should be much more polished in the pocket by now.

7/17 for 91 yards is not gonna cut it on most nights. Especially when 55 came one one play...one in which his throw was actually pretty bad. Although, he made an awesome ball fake and was most likely just being safe with the throw. I also thought he overthrew a pretty much wide open Gallon on the Hail Mary at the end of the half.

Otherwise, it was so sweet to beat Ohio. They actually had a couple fans on the MACbbs board predicting a 30 point victory...lol

First of all a great win last night. Holding Ohio to 14 points is quite an accomplishment given their success this season and all the people crying that teams we have beaten have terrible records can shut up. When they marched down the field to go up 7-0 and we went 3 to start the game I was worried. Heck of a job by the defense to cause 3 and outs and let us find our running game and the forcing Ohio to make errors on Special Teams.


To win the MAC we still have to beat Kent, UB and NIU/UT. We already know that Toledo can score and I think Kent and NIU are better or at least on par with Toledo. While I think the defense has improved since the UT game greatly, Toledo did cause some speed mismatches on the outside that really hurt us.

While I have never been impressed with Schilz I do think the blame is shared between him and the Wide Receivers. Regardless of who is to blame it is concerning that they look more out of sync in week 10 than they did in weeks 1-3. They are not young after starting 10 games.

I haven't been buying that we are shutting the playbook down and protecting leads and not showing our hand theory. At some point you have to actually run the offense so you know you can when and if you need it. In reality our great running game should make our passing game very efficient. Right now we are far better off running the ball on third and 6 than passing on third and 6. I said last night that when the defense knows a pass is coming Schilz and the receivers look awful. He is at his best when he can fake to the RB and suck in the defense on first and second down. If he is throwing on the run or moving at all just forget about it.

I love Samuel. It's been awhile since there was an offense BG player that is fun to watch. He turns negative gains into first downs. Last night he showed he can be a workhorse. Very impressive.

Martin, Thomas and McKoy also deserve some love as they were all over the place last night.

+1

kdog27 wrote:

Redwingtom wrote:Okay...you can yell at me for finding the negative in our great win last night, but I think this needs talking about as it could be our achilles' heel if we're going to contend for a championship this year.

Matt has to play better. Period.

Sooner or later we're going to face a team that is going to load up the box and take away our run game.

I will give him credit for managing the game well and not making any turnovers, but his mechanics last night were troubling. His feet were never set when he threw and he missed several wide open receivers. Hopefully this will be apparent on the game film and be worked on, but in his third year he should be much more polished in the pocket by now.

7/17 for 91 yards is not gonna cut it on most nights. Especially when 55 came one one play...one in which his throw was actually pretty bad. Although, he made an awesome ball fake and was most likely just being safe with the throw. I also thought he overthrew a pretty much wide open Gallon on the Hail Mary at the end of the half.

Otherwise, it was so sweet to beat Ohio. They actually had a couple fans on the MACbbs board predicting a 30 point victory...lol

First of all a great win last night. Holding Ohio to 14 points is quite an accomplishment given their success this season and all the people crying that teams we have beaten have terrible records can shut up. When they marched down the field to go up 7-0 and we went 3 to start the game I was worried. Heck of a job by the defense to cause 3 and outs and let us find our running game and the forcing Ohio to make errors on Special Teams.


To win the MAC we still have to beat Kent, UB and NIU/UT. We already know that Toledo can score and I think Kent and NIU are better or at least on par with Toledo. While I think the defense has improved since the UT game greatly, Toledo did cause some speed mismatches on the outside that really hurt us.

While I have never been impressed with Schilz I do think the blame is shared between him and the Wide Receivers. Regardless of who is to blame it is concerning that they look more out of sync in week 10 than they did in weeks 1-3. They are not young after starting 10 games.

I haven't been buying that we are shutting the playbook down and protecting leads and not showing our hand theory. At some point you have to actually run the offense so you know you can when and if you need it. In reality our great running game should make our passing game very efficient. Right now we are far better off running the ball on third and 6 than passing on third and 6. I said last night that when the defense knows a pass is coming Schilz and the receivers look awful. He is at his best when he can fake to the RB and suck in the defense on first and second down. If he is throwing on the run or moving at all just forget about it.

I love Samuel. It's been awhile since there was an offense BG player that is fun to watch. He turns negative gains into first downs. Last night he showed he can be a workhorse. Very impressive.

Martin, Thomas and McKoy also deserve some love as they were all over the place last night.

It seems like Matt panics whenever he's forced to make a read on the defense. He's fine with those bubble screens and quick hitters, but he has a really hard time reading one on one coverage where a receiver has to essentially ad lib his route. He's a below average QB and right now he's being asked to not make any mistakes which is fine, but there will come a time in the next two to three games that the passing game will need to step up and make plays, and that worries me a lot. The blame goes all around, but I think Matt's lost his confidence and he's obviously not getting himself in a rhythm to be consistent. I'd say at this point, Johnson is a better pure passer than he is. All that being said, he made two very good plays last night with the play action fake and the zone read run. They're nice wrinkles in the offense and will force the defense to play a little more honest.

For the Schilz doubters I have some thoughts and an honest question-- In your opinions has he regressed?

He has had a couple of decent years, enough to say that everyone's expectations for him this year were heightened. Instead, our passing game seems to have taken a step back. What's changed? Basically his whole corps of receivers has changed. I'm not a Schilz is Brian McClure guy, but I definitely think there is something to be said. I hadn't really taken all that to heart until Clawson made the point that some of the overthrows are on the receivers for breaking routes too early. I'm thinking our passing game (or lack thereof) is 60-40 on the receivers.

Dayons_Den wrote:For the Schilz doubters I have some thoughts and an honest question-- In your opinions has he regressed?

He has had a couple of decent years, enough to say that everyone's expectations for him this year were heightened. Instead, our passing game seems to have taken a step back. What's changed? Basically his whole corps of receivers has changed. I'm not a Schilz is Brian McClure guy, but I definitely think there is something to be said. I hadn't really taken all that to heart until Clawson made the point that some of the overthrows are on the receivers for breaking routes too early. I'm thinking our passing game (or lack thereof) is 60-40 on the receivers.

I don't think Schilz has regressed, but I definitely don't think he has improved. He has had great receivers over the last couple years (Jorden, Cooper) that have helped him inflate his numbers, and I think the miscommunications with new receivers has contributed but overall he still has some great, big targets to throw to this year. If I remember right, Sheehan's junior year was a bit of a lull as well between his two outstanding years in '07 and '09, but it certainly wasn't as dramatic as this. I think receiving and play calling are partially to blame, but Schilz needs to show more improvement and leadership than he has so far.

It very telling to watch the pass plays that they are calling for Matt. Nothing much over the middle that couid be intercepted. Everything is slants, bubble screens and quick hitters.

We've had some sucess with our tight ends over the middle this year but OU took that away last night. We will need to attack the entire field to win these next two and possibly MAC championship game and bowl game.

How I miss the Eric White to Mark Schlezic deep square in route!

I do agree the receivers are likely 60% to blame.

There was one play in the red zone last night where it looked like Matt audibled when he noticed 1-1 coverage to the top. I thought the play should have been a fade to the back of the end zone and that is where Matt appeared to throw the ball, but the receiver for some reason cut to the middle of the field.

Nothing against Schilz, but he doesn't seem to fit right with this "new" offense.

I would think a running QB with decent accuracy could thrive, while at the same time posing a threat on the ground.

Schilz was much better last year throwing to Jordan, Cooper and Joplin as a third option. This year, he's throwing to a different group. Has Schilz regressed or have his recievers? At varying times, you see evidence to support both conclusions.

Part of the reason we've been more effective running on 3 and 5 and 3rd and six is that the defense has enough respect for Matt that they're defending the pass with nickel and dime coverages. That creates opportunities for the backs to pick up big gains when the OL opens holes....and our OL is opening some big holes.

Whatever the case...I know the talent is there, so I'm optimistic we can get the passing game back on track.

thewebboy wrote:Nothing against Schilz, but he doesn't seem to fit right with this "new" offense.

I would think a running QB with decent accuracy could thrive, while at the same time posing a threat on the ground.

To me, a pocket passer is exactly what you need for this offense. A running quarterback would be better for a team without a running threat, as the QB could provide the running. Here, if we want to run the ball, we give it to the RB. Every once in a while, Bernie Kosar...er Matt Schilz...runs the ball for some yards. His main role is game manager, and when the receivers run the correct routes and don't drop the easy passes (Joplin to start the game), he's a rather good QB. Could he be better? Yes, but I'm not expecting Peyton Manning numbers from him at BGSU. He had a few mechanics issues last night (3rd down roll out pass to Burbrink that he threw high), but watching his disgust with where he put the ball versus where the receivers ran tells me the receiver screwed up. If you eliminate the receiver errors, he had maybe 11 or 12 completions out of the 17 instead of just 7.

footballguy51 wrote:

thewebboy wrote:Nothing against Schilz, but he doesn't seem to fit right with this "new" offense.

I would think a running QB with decent accuracy could thrive, while at the same time posing a threat on the ground.

To me, a pocket passer is exactly what you need for this offense. A running quarterback would be better for a team without a running threat, as the QB could provide the running. Here, if we want to run the ball, we give it to the RB. Every once in a while, Bernie Kosar...er Matt Schilz...runs the ball for some yards. His main role is game manager, and when the receivers run the correct routes and don't drop the easy passes (Joplin to start the game), he's a rather good QB. Could he be better? Yes, but I'm not expecting Peyton Manning numbers from him at BGSU. He had a few mechanics issues last night (3rd down roll out pass to Burbrink that he threw high), but watching his disgust with where he put the ball versus where the receivers ran tells me the receiver screwed up. If you eliminate the receiver errors, he had maybe 11 or 12 completions out of the 17 instead of just 7.

Actually I agree. I think this offense is the perfect fit for Matt...and he for it. We have an OL and a corps of stud RBs that don't need the QB to open up the running game. All they need is to keep the safeties off the LOS...when that happens Samuel and Co. seem able to thrive.

If the goal of the passing game is to keep the safeties out of the box (and it should be with this set of RBs/OL) then Schilz is the perfect guy. He's got a rocket for an arm and has never been shy about using it to push the ball vertically.

Whatever the issues with the passing game are I hope they can keep improving at it. With this defense and this running game the team should be able to bring home a MAC title, but at some point I would expect they're going to need to hit some big passes as well.

A running QB could complete 40% of his passes and also extend drives by running for first downs every once in awhile.