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Cue some Phil Collins to explain Dave Clawson's lose to UT
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:54 pm
by CrazyFan
"I see your true colors, shining through........"
Re: Cue some Phil Collins to explain Dave Clawson's lose to
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:05 pm
by Falcon137
I'm done with Clawson. What a joke. Win 1 freaking big game. What an absolute joke that first half, was.
Wow.
Who cares? Same Dave. Can't win a big a game. I'm done, until he does.
I'm typing this in the parking lot. What's the point? 0 big wins in 5 years. Wow, A LOT OF UNHAPPY FANS. For 4 straight years.
Re: Cue some Phil Collins to explain Dave Clawson's lose to
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:07 pm
by BGWriter
CrazyFan wrote:"I see your true colors, shining through........"
This is not a championship coaching staff. Until they prove to me they can actually win a meaningful game, I won't believe it happens. Next up: how will they find a way to lose the MAC East title to Buffalo or Ohio? The margin for error right now is ZERO with today's loss.
Re: Cue some Phil Collins to explain Dave Clawson's lose to
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:19 pm
by Flipper
we did beat a dinged up OU last year...but yeah...from the 2009spud bowl through the losses to Wyoming and OU on final plays I'm getting sick of watching the same movie over and over
Re: Cue some Phil Collins to explain Dave Clawson's lose to
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:31 pm
by Schadenfreude
I'm frustrated. This loss hurt. I was hoping for more improvement than we've seen this year. But I think it's crazy to talk as if Clawson ought to be replaced. He's a heck of a coach. He has brought us a long way already. We need to show more patience than that.
Re: Cue some Phil Collins to explain Dave Clawson's lose to
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:38 pm
by kdog27
Flipper wrote:we did beat a dinged up OU last year...but yeah...from the 2009spud bowl through the losses to Wyoming and OU on final plays I'm getting sick of watching the same movie over and over
Some fluke special teams blunders won that game. Given our track record in other big games we lose that game without them.
Re: Cue some Phil Collins to explain Dave Clawson's lose to
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:41 pm
by kdog27
Schadenfreude wrote:I'm frustrated. This loss hurt. I was hoping for more improvement than we've seen this year. But I think it's crazy to talk as if Clawson ought to be replaced. He's a heck of a coach. He has brought us a long way already. We need to show more patience than that.
Sorry I usually respect your posts Schad but how have we come so far? 8-5 is our best season and this looks like a 8 win team that loses to either OU or Buffalo and watches them get beat by NIU.
Re: Cue some Phil Collins to explain Dave Clawson's lose to
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:42 pm
by Falcon137
Schadenfreude wrote:I'm frustrated. This loss hurt. I was hoping for more improvement than we've seen this year. But I think it's crazy to talk as if Clawson ought to be replaced. He's a heck of a coach. He has brought us a long way already. We need to show more patience than that.
Re: Cue some Phil Collins to explain Dave Clawson's lose to
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:42 pm
by Dayons_Den
True Colors is by Cyndi Lauper for chrissake.
Re: Cue some Phil Collins to explain Dave Clawson's lose to
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:42 pm
by BGWriter
Schadenfreude wrote:I'm frustrated. This loss hurt. I was hoping for more improvement than we've seen this year. But I think it's crazy to talk as if Clawson ought to be replaced. He's a heck of a coach. He has brought us a long way already. We need to show more patience than that.
How many years and how many more losses in big games do you give him before you have had enough?
Aren't four losses in a row to Toledo bad enough? How about if this team fails, again, to win the MAC East and then loses its bowl game? What's your breaking point?
I think good coaches show their colors pretty early on by winning games they aren't supposed to, along with winning the games they're expected to win. Clawson had to deal with some scholarship deficits, and that bought him some time -- and should have.
But now he's to a point where we should be seeing results and we're not. That makes be believe that the man just isn't that good of a coach when you bottom line the whole thing.
This year has been one ridiculous slow start after another and some much tougher games against far inferior teams than should have happened. And it's not like it only happened once; the slow starts have happened in every game. Wouldn't you expect a good coach to have corrected that by now?
I would.
If Clawson and his staff fail to produce a MAC East title with the talent on this team, then they do not deserve another shot, in my opinion. There are just too many red flags with this staff to sit back and say that they should get another year or two or three.
They haven't earned it.
Re: Cue some Phil Collins to explain Dave Clawson's lose to
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:04 pm
by Schadenfreude
I don't understand the anti-Clawson vitriol, especially since it comes just hours after some of you were speculating on what other more formidable program might snatch our coach up. The team I'm watching was 8-5 last year, 5-7 the year before that and 2-10 before that. I like that curve. Long term, I like the direction of the program.
Worst case realistic scenario, this team finishes the regular season 7-5. And I'm thinking 8-4 is more likely. No way you fire a coach for that, unless you are a clown like George Steinbrenner.
If I'm the AD, only thing I do is tell Clawson to keep his head up. Let him keep coaching and recruiting.
Yes, at some point, we need to go into Bloomington and Starkville and beat teams like that. Long term, that's where we need to get to. We definitely need to stop losing to Toledo on our field.
Given direction of the program, I'm willing to be patient. I think Clawson can get us there. And I think he still very much has a shot at winning the East. I doubt Ohio or Buffalo are quite as good as Toledo.
I would urge many of you to consider Frank Solich. After winning the East in his second year, he had two losing seasons in a row. I'm sure some down there wanted to get rid him at that point. But that would have been a bad move.
Re: Cue some Phil Collins to explain Dave Clawson's lose to
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:16 pm
by kdog27
Clawson's teams NEVER come out and dominate anyone. They grind out wins against the bad teams, generally get spanked by BCS teams, and lose just about all of the games where the betting line is a few points either way.
You can't rely on second half adjustments every game and especially against good teams. 2 weeks to prepare for your rival who has beaten you 3 straight and you come out that flat? Inexcusable.
Re: Cue some Phil Collins to explain Dave Clawson's lose to
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:48 pm
by Flipper
This should be the win and move up year for DC.....after blowing two winnable games, we're a loss against OU or Buffalo from seeing an Earle Bruce "shoot..we lost another close one " year with no advancement.
Re: Cue some Phil Collins to explain Dave Clawson's lose to
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:06 pm
by CrazyFan
Schadenfreude wrote:I don't understand the anti-Clawson vitriol, especially since it comes just hours after some of you were speculating on what other more formidable program might snatch our coach up. The team I'm watching was 8-5 last year, 5-7 the year before that and 2-10 before that. I like that curve. Long term, I like the direction of the program.
Worst case realistic scenario, this team finishes the regular season 7-5. And I'm thinking 8-4 is more likely. No way you fire a coach for that, unless you are a clown like George Steinbrenner.
If I'm the AD, only thing I do is tell Clawson to keep his head up. Let him keep coaching and recruiting.
Yes, at some point, we need to go into Bloomington and Starkville and beat teams like that. Long term, that's where we need to get to. We definitely need to stop losing to Toledo on our field.
Given direction of the program, I'm willing to be patient. I think Clawson can get us there. And I think he still very much has a shot at winning the East. I doubt Ohio or Buffalo are quite as good as Toledo.
I would urge many of you to consider Frank Solich. After winning the East in his second year, he had two losing seasons in a row. I'm sure some down there wanted to get rid him at that point. But that would have been a bad move.
This is the attitude that I can not understand. Our fan base is satisfied with average teams. They make every single excuse for every average team we have. And we hang our hats on the "We'll be awesome next year" matra. Then the next year comes, we CONTINUE to lose the big games, yet we still defend them because they have a winning record. And then we AGAIN go back to the "We'll be awesome next year" theme. Doesnt anyone strive to be a top tier program?? Keep being "patient" with your average team that is going no where, yet again. But hey, next year is Clawson's year and we'll be awesome!
Re: Cue some Phil Collins to explain Dave Clawson's lose to
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:09 pm
by CrazyFan
Dayons_Den wrote:True Colors is by Cyndi Lauper for chrissake.
Yah....sorry. Just a quick post off the top of my head and forgot Lauper was the original artist of the song. My bad.
