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Still trying to swallow that pill from last night, but have no doubts that WE beat ourselves!!! 99 out of 100 times Matty to Lewis on the opening play is caught for a first down, but the one time started the self-beat down of epic proportions. When you can't get out of your own way with 5 TOs and costly, drive killing penalties, this is what you get. We have the better team and if Toledo is wondering, I would not want to play us again this year!!

Hell no

Bowling Green is capable of beating Toledo, but that was the best team we played all year. Not sure I want to go through that again.

No...I don't want them to have the satisfaction of playing in the MACC.

Schadenfreude wrote:Bowling Green is capable of beating Toledo, but that was the best team we played all year. Not sure I want to go through that again.

You think Toledo is better than Memphis?

slashba33 wrote:

Schadenfreude wrote:Bowling Green is capable of beating Toledo, but that was the best team we played all year. Not sure I want to go through that again.

You think Toledo is better than Memphis?

Yes, I do.

Also, to Redwingtom's point: Why would we wish for Toledo to have the satisfaction of playing for a championship? Championships are what we play for in Bowling Green. The game will be on TV if the Rocket coaches and players want to watch.

Schadenfreude wrote:

slashba33 wrote:

Schadenfreude wrote:Bowling Green is capable of beating Toledo, but that was the best team we played all year. Not sure I want to go through that again.

You think Toledo is better than Memphis?

Yes, I do.

Also, to Redwingtom's point: Why would we wish for Toledo to have the satisfaction of playing for a championship? Championships are what we play for in Bowling Green. The game will be on TV if the Rocket coaches and players want to watch.

What would be sweeter than beating Toledo after losing 6 in a row in the biggest game of the year for a conference title?? If the table was turned and we won 44-28...would you want to play them again?? Do you really think we turn the ball over 5 times again? It's damn hard to beat a team twice in the same season! Sounds like our team and fan base is taking on the same approach with our biggest rival. Win in the crappy EAST, bend over and take it 6 years in a row from TSUN and pray that another WEST team beats them and they don't go to the MACC.

slashba33 wrote:What would be sweeter than beating Toledo after losing 6 in a row in the biggest game of the year for a conference

That would be sweet.

slashba33 wrote:Do you really think we turn the ball over 5 times again?

No, I don't.

slashba33 wrote:Sounds like our team and fan base is taking on the same approach with our biggest rival. Win in the crappy EAST, bend over and take it 6 years in a row from TSUN and pray that another WEST team beats them and they don't go to the MACC.

If Toledo is the opponent, so be it. A chance to reverse this streak against these pesky Rockets would be great. But I am also enjoying the fact that the Rockets haven't even made it into the championship game since 2004. And I think our chances of a MAC title would be better against either Northern Illinois or Western Michigan.

At the end of the day, I want real hardware. Fifty years from now, banners will still be up in Perry Stadium noting all our MAC titles. If Toledo wants to put banners up in the Glass Bowl noting all their wins over Bowling Green, that's up to them.

I'm hoping for a banged up NIU. Toledo is built to beat BG.

Run the football, control the clock. Check
Get pressure with just 3-4 guys. Check
Limit explosive plays - Check.

I'll echo that was the best team BG has played. They laid an absolute egg vs NIU. I did not expect their defensive line to beat up the BG offensive line that bad.

I'll say this about the MAC Championship...Of the three teams we could face between UT, WMU or NIU, it goes without saying UT would have me extremely concerned. Like it or not, UT owns BG and we keep finding ways to lose to them, so they would be the team I least want to face. We have proven we can beat WMU because we just did it a few weeks ago but they could give us a better game than what we saw in Kalamazoo. I could see them using UT's blueprint as they are somewhat similar in what they want to do. And with UT and WMU, these would be regular season rematches. NIU is the team I feel most confident in beating and it would be great to get some revenge for last year's championship game loss.

Now, that all said, if we will/do win the MAC Championship game, it would get no better than to beat UT doing it. But from where we stand right now, my pecking order of who I like our chances against would go NIU, then WMU, then UT.

To be the best, you have to beat the best, I want another shot at these MFers with Matty Johnson at QB. Last nights debacle was due largely to a lack of focus and execution, I saw Toledo players playing very physical, while BG players were passive and flat. Eliminate the TO's, clamp down on the run defense, and for Gods sake wrap up and run through the person you are tackling, especially since Hunt is as big or bigger than everyone we have in the LB and DB corps, trying to arm tackle this guy killed us, how many times did we have him stopped for a 1-2 yard gain, and he turns that into a 5+ yard gain.

Love the fact that we're going to Detroit again, but damn, it'll feel a whole lot more satisfying when there's at least one half decent team in the MAC East other than BG....

slashba33 wrote: It's damn hard to beat a team twice in the same season!

Not to just pick on you, but we hear this all the time...and it makes no sense here. How many times in college football history have two teams played each other twice in the same season? It's not exactly a huge pool of evidence to draw any conclusions from.

Redwingtom wrote:

slashba33 wrote: It's damn hard to beat a team twice in the same season!

Not to just pick on you, but we hear this all the time...and it makes no sense here. How many times in college football history have two teams played each other twice in the same season? It's not exactly a huge pool of evidence to draw any conclusions from.

There have been 24 instances of two teams meeting in the conference championship game after meeting during the regular season (see below). Teams that won the regular season game are 15-9 in the rematch. Granted that says we have a 40% chance of winning the next game based on this, but we had a 60% chance of winning last night based on the odds makers!! To quote tvosra87, to be the best we need to beat the best. We beat the best in 2013 and I want another chance at it.

ACC (2 Sweeps, 2 Splits)

2007
Virginia Tech 30, Boston College 16
Boston College 14, Virginia Tech 10 (Week 8)

2008
Virginia Tech 30, Boston College 12
Boston College 28, Virginia Tech 23 (Week 7)

2009
Georgia Tech 39, Clemson 34
Georgia Tech 30, Clemson 27 (Week 2)

2011
Clemson 38, Virginia Tech 10
Clemson 23, Virginia Tech 3 (Week 5)

B1G (1 Split)

2011
Wisconsin 42, Michigan State 39
Michigan State 37, Wisconsin 31 (Week 7)

Big 12 (4 Sweeps, 2 Splits)

1999
Nebraska 22, Texas 6
Texas 24, Nebraska 20 (Week 8)

2000
Oklahoma 27, Kansas State 24
Oklahoma 41, Kansas State 31 (Week 6)

2001
Colorado 39, Texas 37
Texas 41, Colorado 7 (Week 7)

2002
Oklahoma 29, Colorado 7
Oklahoma 27, Colorado 11 (Week 8)

2005
Texas 70, Colorado 3
Texas 42, Colorado 17 (Week 6)

2007
Oklahoma 38, Missouri 17
Oklahoma 41, Missouri 31 (Week 7)

SEC (5 Sweeps, 1 Split)

1999
Alabama 34, Florida 7
Alabama 40, Florida 39 (OT) (Week 5)

2000
Florida 28, Auburn 6
Florida 38, Auburn 7 (Week 7)

2001
LSU 31, Tennessee 20
Tennessee 26, LSU 18 (Week 3)

2003
LSU 34, Georgia 13
LSU 17, Georgia 10 (Week 4)

2004
Auburn 38, Tennessee 28
Auburn 34, Tennessee 10 (Week 5)

2010
Auburn 56, South Carolina 17
Auburn 35, South Carolina 27 (Week 4)

CONFERENCE USA (1 Sweep, 1 Split)

2006
Houston 34, Southern Miss 20
Southern Miss 31, Houston 27 (Week 6)

2007
UCF 44, Tulsa 25
UCF 44, Tulsa 23 (Week 7)

MAC (3 Sweeps, 2 Splits)

1999
Marshall 34, Western Michigan 30
Marshall 31, Western Michigan 17 (Week 10)

2000
Marshall 19, Western Michigan 14
Western Michigan 30, Marshall 10 (Week 5)

2003
Miami 49, Bowling Green 27
Miami 33, Bowling Green 10 (Week 9)

2004
Toledo 35, Miami 27
Miami 23, Toledo 16 (Week 9)

2005
Akron 31, Northern Illinois 30
Akron 48, Northern Illinois 42 (OT) (Week 4)

I'll only be going to Detroit if BG plays WMU or Toledo. I've no interest seeing them playing NIU again.