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Interesting sniglet listening to Loeffler’s manure-cast on the show: He said they will be getting half the class from the 4 hour radius, and HALF from transfers. That’s maybe 12 transfers?

Desperation. You will lose all your depth, in return. It seems it will be like a pick-up team year to year moving forward, in this portal world. Forget about culture, getting old, player driven locker room and all the other BS.

roguewarrior wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:29 pm Interesting sniglet listening to Loeffler’s manure-cast on the show: He said they will be getting half the class from the 4 hour radius, and HALF from transfers. That’s maybe 12 transfers?

Desperation. You will lose all your depth, in return. It seems it will be like a pick-up team year to year moving forward, in this portal world. Forget about culture, getting old, player driven locker room and all the other BS.

He's not stupid. Knows he needs to produce and knows the program is likely going to have more attrition. I think this will ultimately settle in as the norm for football and basketball. Recruit the guys you really want and fill in the rest from the portal.

To be totally fair I criticized Jinks for the same in 2018. Jinks signed a ton of transfers in 2018. I said Jinks is obviously feeling pressure to win now. And transfers can help you win but they come with a cost. Obviously that was prior to transfer portal which shook that system up. But still it's a risk taking that many transfers.

Quick side note. How many MAC starting QBs are transfers? Off the top of my head, Ohio, BG, EMU, NIU, and I'm sure there's more.

roguewarrior wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:29 pm Interesting sniglet listening to Loeffler’s manure-cast on the show: He said they will be getting half the class from the 4 hour radius, and HALF from transfers. That’s maybe 12 transfers?

Desperation. You will lose all your depth, in return. It seems it will be like a pick-up team year to year moving forward, in this portal world. Forget about culture, getting old, player driven locker room and all the other BS.

I 100% disagree. First off, we hardly have any depth, so we can't lose what we really don't even have. Secondly, we are one of the youngest teams in the entire country. We have a ton of guys with 3-4 years of eligibility. Over 70% of BG's roster has 4 years of eligibility (with Covid year factored in)! That is almost unheard of. We desperately need upperclassmen to mix with our freshmen and sophomore, which makes up the major of our team. Further, and most importantly, it also brings in competition for spots, which is what you 100% want. What's more, transfers are not guaranteed a spot. They can all be beat out and guys already in the program have advantaged that they do not. Added to that, I'm beyond sick and tired of seeing guys leaving at the first hint of adversity. If they want to leave, good riddance. Take a look at the the transfers we lost this past season and what they're doing at their new schools. Most of them aren't doing a whole heck of a lot. Here they were starters and now at their new schools, it's a mixed bag. And newsflash, this isn't a unique situation to BG, this is every school in the country, Adding transfers made a big impact on this year's team in the places we added them, it's just a shame we couldn't add more. I'm 100% behind doing the same next year, and down the road for that matter. The portal worked for us and works for a ton of other schools when used correctly. The results from it this season alone were impactful. Many of our best players right now are transfers. I love hearing he said this and I commend him for realizing the need and value in using them.

jpfalcon09 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:49 pm

roguewarrior wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:29 pm Interesting sniglet listening to Loeffler’s manure-cast on the show: He said they will be getting half the class from the 4 hour radius, and HALF from transfers. That’s maybe 12 transfers?

Desperation. You will lose all your depth, in return. It seems it will be like a pick-up team year to year moving forward, in this portal world. Forget about culture, getting old, player driven locker room and all the other BS.

He's not stupid. Knows he needs to produce and knows the program is likely going to have more attrition. I think this will ultimately settle in as the norm for football and basketball. Recruit the guys you really want and fill in the rest from the portal.

Exactly!

MarkL wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:33 pm Quick side note. How many MAC starting QBs are transfers? Off the top of my head, Ohio, BG, EMU, NIU, and I'm sure there's more.

Ohio (UNLV), BG (Boston College), NIU (Michigan State), CMU (Washington), EMU (Cincinnati) and Toledo (Georgia Tech) all have FBS transfer QB's who have played this year.

MarkL wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:31 pm To be totally fair I criticized Jinks for the same in 2018. Jinks signed a ton of transfers in 2018. I said Jinks is obviously feeling pressure to win now. And transfers can help you win but they come with a cost. Obviously that was prior to transfer portal which shook that system up. But still it's a risk taking that many transfers.

Not all transfers "come with a cost." There's a major difference between transfers who were dismissed from a school and ones who left on their own for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with being being a risk or bad seed. I do agree with your point about the transfer portal though. It has completely changed the name of the game concerning transfers. But transfer are no more or a "risk" than incoming freshmen are. Some of them work out, some of them do not. That applies to all players, not just a label for transfers.

BGSU33 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:46 pm

roguewarrior wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:29 pm Interesting sniglet listening to Loeffler’s manure-cast on the show: He said they will be getting half the class from the 4 hour radius, and HALF from transfers. That’s maybe 12 transfers?

Desperation. You will lose all your depth, in return. It seems it will be like a pick-up team year to year moving forward, in this portal world. Forget about culture, getting old, player driven locker room and all the other BS.

I 100% disagree. First off, we hardly have any depth, so we can't lose what we really don't even have. Secondly, we are one of the youngest teams in the entire country. We have a ton of guys with 3-4 years of eligibility. Over 70% of BG's roster has 4 years of eligibility (with Covid year factored in)! That is almost unheard of. We desperately need upperclassmen to mix with our freshmen and sophomore, which makes up the major of our team. Further, and most importantly, it also brings in competition for spots, which is what you 100% want. What's more, transfers are not guaranteed a spot. They can all be beat out and guys already in the program have advantaged that they do not. Added to that, I'm beyond sick and tired of seeing guys leaving at the first hint of adversity. If they want to leave, good riddance. Take a look at the the transfers we lost this past season and what they're doing at their new schools. Most of them aren't doing a whole heck of a lot. Here they were starters and now at their new schools, it's a mixed bag. And newsflash, this isn't a unique situation to BG, this is every school in the country, Adding transfers made a big impact on this year's team in the places we added them, it's just a shame we couldn't add more. I'm 100% behind doing the same next year, and down the road for that matter. The portal worked for us and works for a ton of other schools when used correctly. The results from it this season alone were impactful. Many of our best players right now are transfers. I love hearing he said this and I commend him for realizing the need and value in using them.

Transfers aren’t guaranteed spots…. Funny. All the top transfers are looking to go to the worst team in D1, with no guarantee of playing time. They just left a place where they aren’t playing. So naive .

I guess Loeffler is a good coach now, since he will bring in a majority of transfers. First order of business, 5 tight ends.

He can bring in Jesus and the Apostles and it won't matter if Terry Malone is sending in plays for McDonald

Oh no! A bunch of "depth," aka players that can't get on the field for the team that lost by 30, might be persuaded by their parents in the stands to quit when competition arrives. What ever will we do? How will we replace such sterling talent and ability?

Why stay and get better when you can drop to FCS/D2 or sit the bench like last year's outbound group?

I used to love college athletics, but the entitlement mentality and impulse to quit when faced with adversity, aided and abetted by so called "adults" is nauseating.

I used to love college athletics, but the entitlement mentality and impulse to quit when faced with adversity, aided and abetted by so called "adults" is nauseating.
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Antimob wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:27 pm Oh no! A bunch of "depth," aka players that can't get on the field for the team that lost by 30, might be persuaded by their parents in the stands to quit when competition arrives. What ever will we do? How will we replace such sterling talent and ability?

Why stay and get better when you can drop to FCS/D2 or sit the bench like last year's outbound group?

I used to love college athletics, but the entitlement mentality and impulse to quit when faced with adversity, aided and abetted by so called "adults" is nauseating.

News flash Copernicus, you can’t practice without depth. All the intangibles he speaks to, that take the 4 years he needs, can’t happen when the roster turns over every year. Of course it’s not a BG problem only. You think these clowns can pick the right guys and talk them into coming here…. And then executing a winning game plan? Oh, and the very players that nauseate you for leaving, are the very ones you are inviting here….

Obviously they are playing the right personnel. These parents are nuts! We have 2 wins! 5 wins in three years. How can you argue with that success?

Here’s a thought…. Maybe the longer a few of the selfish transfers have been around, the more the locker room is disintegrating. Fact.

Antimob wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:27 pm I used to love college athletics, but the entitlement mentality and impulse to quit when faced with adversity, aided and abetted by so called "adults" is nauseating.

Bothers the s**t out of me too. The unintended consequence of the transfer portal is the incentive to work through adversity is just gone. It is fun to see freshmen grow into seniors, hit some bumps along the way, and play their best ball in their late years. The 2010 freshmen in the secondary are a perfect example. Those 2010 and 2011 secondaries gave out big plays like candy to opposing QBs. They developed, overcame adversity, and come 2012 and 2013 were one of the nation's top defenses. Specifically Aaron Foster. With how strong that 2012 defense was, he was demoted to depth position after starting games in 2010 and 2011. Come 2013 he was a starting lockdown corner all year because the DB depth was thin. These days the transfer portal opens the door for him to just transfer out somewhere else rather than work hard to earn playing time and starts.

Similarly the unintended consequences of NIL. 18 year old kids don't need to pressure of massive contracts. Nor do they need to be pressured by outside forces into making selfish plays rather than playing as a team.

Between exorbitant coaching salaries, transfer portal, and NIL, the sport is far too big for it's own good. Just admit that it is a professional minor league with annual unrestricted free agency.

Recruiting is and has always been the lifeline of a college football program. With that said, transfers - like it or not - now play a critical part in it too. Whether they're coming or going, transfers were true freshmen at one point themselves somewhere, it just may have been at another school. It's all part of the equation. But no matter whether you are a returning starter, a career backup, a recruited freshman, a transfer or a walk-on, they are ALL in a form of competition. I could care less which of those categories a guy falls into, the bottom line is you need competition at every position and the best players (the ones who won out their spot and earned it) deserve the two-deep spots. This is frickin' D-I football. This isn't the participation league. Not every kid who had a stellar high school career is going to find the same at the next level. Few do right away, some do down the road, a number of them do at some point, and some may never at all. Has the transfer portal had an impact on rosters across the country in recent years? Absolutely. But so has adversity, or should I say, the inability to face and handle it. It now goes hand-in-hand with a high number of guys in the transfer portal who would rather look for an easier opportunity than to battle and compete for one. Players enter the portal for a number of reasons, but the volume of guys in it has swelled with guys running away from competition, only to find the same issue at their next landing spot, or they find no spot at all. There were days not long ago where most freshmen would redshirt, in most cases many of them would see limited time in their first season or two, and most would develop and play vital roles as upperclassmen. They would sign with a school, stay with that school, and exhaust their eligibility and graduate from that same school. Those days are gone. They've been replaced by a lot of seekers of instant gratification, with people (including parents) whispering in their ears about what they're supposed to have, instead of earning what they should have. It's a big problem, and it's not going away, and it's a big part of the issue with the ever-bloating transfer portal that's consuming a lot of scholarship players and chewing them up and spitting them out with nothing in return on the other side.

So all that build it the "right way" nonsense you all fell for back when Loeffler was hired is now tossed out the window. Are we still headed to the moon? One thing I learned quickly with Loeffler is don't actually listen to his words. It's largely incoherent relative to his actions. Watch him on the sideline. He is a bad play caller, being paid to be a head coach. 5-20. 3-20 vs. FBS teams. It's not Clawson, it won't ever be Clawson, it never was Clawson. Are we sure Loeffler won't leave this place in worse shape than Jinks did?