This offensive scheme doesn't/won't work
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BGSU33
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This offensive scheme doesn't/won't work
How much longer is Loeffler going to try and continue to run an offensive scheme that simply doesn't work? We're in the 4th year of it and it's still the same results. Even in games that we win, it's often in spite of our offense, not because of it. In the last two games, we've scored 9.5 points per game, at home, in ideal weather conditions, against teams with losing records. That's absurd. And one of those td drives was set up because of a costly penalty by our opponent. Honestly, what more needs to be said? It hasn't worked in the last three years and it's still not working this year either. For every one quarter we might look okay with it, we get 2-3 more quarters where it goes nowhere. Loeffler constantly talks about what Dave Clawson did while he was here. Has he ever gone back and looked at some of what Clawson actual ran when we started turning the corner and got good? Have a look at Clawson's 2013 offense, it would run circles around anything Loeffler has tried to generate with his. Look at what Ohio is running, look at what Toledo is running, look at what Kent State is running. They don't play in domes, they play in Ohio, just like BG does. But their offenses score points. We are wasting our defense away again this year with this horrible offensive scheme. We simply cannot execute or compete against middle or top teams in the MAC with what we run. We just can't. It needs scrapped and blown up this offseason with or without Loeffler.
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It’s hard to point at scheme when our O line and Qb combo might be the worst in the country. His offense has to have a good O line and a competent qb. We have neither. That’s his fault but how can you tell if it’s a terrible scheme?
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At this point I would just take a quarterback capable of throwing a spiral 75% of the time. Scot Loeffler that hasn’t had a dynamic offense since Tim Tebow, and clearly can’t assess what a good quarterback looks like. But, BGSU let Con Man Kit Hughes basically hire a coach despite paying a search firm and let him run a department for the past 6 years.
Change is coming. Thankfully that change had a first hand look at the trash last night.
Change is coming. Thankfully that change had a first hand look at the trash last night.
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I can guarantee you if Scot is retained that nothing is going to change on that side of the ball.BGSU33 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 4:19 am How much longer is Loeffler going to try and continue to run an offensive scheme that simply doesn't work? We're in the 4th year of it and it's still the same results. Even in games that we win, it's often in spite of our offense, not because of it. In the last two games, we've scored 9.5 points per game, at home, in ideal weather conditions, against teams with losing records. That's absurd. And one of those td drives was set up because of a costly penalty by our opponent. Honestly, what more needs to be said? It hasn't worked in the last three years and it's still not working this year either. For every one quarter we might look okay with it, we get 2-3 more quarters where it goes nowhere. Loeffler constantly talks about what Dave Clawson did while he was here. Has he ever gone back and looked at some of what Clawson actual ran when we started turning the corner and got good? Have a look at Clawson's 2013 offense, it would run circles around anything Loeffler has tried to generate with his. Look at what Ohio is running, look at what Toledo is running, look at what Kent State is running. They don't play in domes, they play in Ohio, just like BG does. But their offenses score points. We are wasting our defense away again this year with this horrible offensive scheme. We simply cannot execute or compete against middle or top teams in the MAC with what we run. We just can't. It needs scrapped and blown up this offseason with or without Loeffler.
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You're right. It means he's not a good coach. He cannot find the right scheme to fit the players he has on his roster -- which, of course, is the true indicator of whether a coach is good. Good coaches figure out how to best use the talent they have available. I've not seen any indication over his tenure that he knows how to do this.
I hope the AD is paying close attention and we don't get stuck in the same endless cycle of hoping it turns around that we've been in for 8 years with Huger and basketball.
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I’m fully convinced Loeffler is back for next year. The extension is totally possible given how low the standards are at BGSU. However, if the blowouts continue the next two weeks, it could be the flip we all need to move on. It’s not difficult BGSU. Last December, Holy Cross gave you a gift. You fired Bob because he had no idea what he was doing. Keep cleaning house. Raise the standards.
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The scheme, particularly as it is coached, is bad. Period. And (in their eyes) next years QB is not on the roster. Extrapolate that out going into next fall…..
If it was a good scheme, everyone would be running it. Coach’s copycat what works. More than once opponent players my kid knows say WTF are you guys running ?!?after games… ugh
If it was a good scheme, everyone would be running it. Coach’s copycat what works. More than once opponent players my kid knows say WTF are you guys running ?!?after games… ugh
It’s not my point of view, it’s a fact.
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McDonald was 31 of 40 last night. He's competent, at least on short and medium throws. The real problem last night was the line play.
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We lost badly because of field position. We had at least 3 opportunities to flip the field with a punt to put them at anywhere between their own 20 and their 1 yard line, and didn’t. We chose to give them the ball at midfield. They didn’t punt once!
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The quarterback went 31-40 and his team lost 40-6. That alone should be a fireable offense. Remarkable.Schadenfreude wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:25 pmMcDonald was 31 of 40 last night. He's competent, at least on short and medium throws. The real problem last night was the line play.
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Too lazy to look...but the number of plays that gained 10+ yds had to be heavily in favor of Kent.
Our QB completed 30 passes and didn't break 250 yrs. Lots of sink and dunk
Our QB completed 30 passes and didn't break 250 yrs. Lots of sink and dunk
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Designing an offense that only hopes to every once in awhile put up 28 points is a stupid way to try to win in 2022.
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Zero chance a WR on this team knows that the coaching staff thinks the current QB batch won't be good enough to start next year.roguewarrior wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:07 pm The scheme, particularly as it is coached, is bad. Period. And (in their eyes) next years QB is not on the roster. Extrapolate that out going into next fall…..
If it was a good scheme, everyone would be running it. Coach’s copycat what works. More than once opponent players my kid knows say WTF are you guys running ?!?after games… ugh
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Flipper
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Given SL's inability to develop a QB and his predilection for running them off...I think the chance is substantially higher than zeroGlobetrotter wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 2:52 amZero chance a WR on this team knows that the coaching staff thinks the current QB batch won't be good enough to start next year.roguewarrior wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:07 pm The scheme, particularly as it is coached, is bad. Period. And (in their eyes) next years QB is not on the roster. Extrapolate that out going into next fall…..
If it was a good scheme, everyone would be running it. Coach’s copycat what works. More than once opponent players my kid knows say WTF are you guys running ?!?after games… ugh
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Our passing game is essentially an extension of our struggling running game. We try and dink and dunk our way down the field with it. We constantly throw little out routes to the boundary for 3-4 yards, with our receivers often stepping out of bounds immediately after a reception. Our bubble and tunnel screens are often blown up behind the line of scrimmage for losses. We also have almost zero vertical threat because McDonald can't throw a deep ball to save his life. He does not have arm strength and I seriously wonder if he can even land a ball into the end zone from the short side of the 45 yard line. SL raved in the offseason how we have guys who can take a short pass the distance. We have hardly see anything of the sort. Our best and nearly only affective pass play is our TE's running a seem route that we are lucky to get maybe twice a game based on one, the defense sitting in zone coverage, and two, actually connecting on the play without being sacked. And don't forget all our batted down passes at the line by defensive lineman. Our passing scheme is predicated upon play-action, but that only works when you have and can utilize a solid running game, which we do not. When Clawson recruited Matt Johnson, he brought in a dual-threat type of a guy who could pass and keep plays alive with his feet. He wasn't as much of a true runner as he was a mobile QB that was equally effective rolling out of the pocket as he was in the pocket. Travis Green was moved to RB and became one of our best ever, and he wasn't even a RB, he was a converted WR. We also had a really good group of WR's and a legit TE. Our offensive line was solid. It wasn't great, it wasn't bad, but they could pass protect and run block equally well. We were very balanced and had the ability to win in the air or on the ground and get this, we could score some damn points! In short, it was totally opposite of what we run now. SL talks non stop about Clawson. I have to wonder his thoughts on how Clawson left a blueprint in 2013 for what works and what you can have and do at BG, and why he continues to try and utilize a flawed and ineffective scheme year after year after year. Yes, I understand his BFF Tom Brady was successful using it. But that's not applicable here whatsoever.
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