Professional Falcons?

04forheisman · Post by **04forheisman** » Mon May 23, 2005 10:24 am

Can we get a rundown of falcons in the pro ranks right now?

NFL-AFL-NFL Europe-CFL?

Cole Magner-Atlanta Falcons-NFL

Josh Harris-Cleveland Browns-NFL

Sean Suisham-Pittsburgh Steelers-NFL

Scott Mruckowski-San Diego Chargers-NFL

James Hawkins-Buffalo Bills-NFL

Robert Redd-Berlin Thunder-NFLE

Any others???? I know of a few, not sure of teams though?

Thank you

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Mon May 23, 2005 11:18 am

Khary Campbell is with the Washington Redskins.

Pat Fleming is with Ottawa of the CFL.

Ryan Wingrove was with an NFL Europe team but I don't know if he is still playing.

Those are the only other ones I can name at this time.

GO FALCONS!!! 103 days to go....

UK Peregrine · Post by **UK Peregrine** » Mon May 23, 2005 11:28 am

Janssen Patton is also still with the Steelers the last I checked.

NY-BG-FAN · Post by **NY-BG-FAN** » Mon May 23, 2005 11:28 am

Hawkins isn't officially with the Bills yet, he just has a tryout with them coming up. Hopefully from that, they will sign him to a contract.

BGALUMNI · Post by **BGALUMNI** » Mon May 23, 2005 1:16 pm

Just a question that fits under this topic, but it seems that Browns fans have no faith in Harris what so ever. I find that odd that they have more faith in Frye winning the starting QB spot over Dilfer than Harris.

UK Peregrine · Post by **UK Peregrine** » Mon May 23, 2005 1:27 pm

BGALUMNI wrote:Just a question that fits under this topic, but it seems that Browns fans have no faith in Harris what so ever. I find that odd that they have more faith in Frye winning the starting QB spot over Dilfer than Harris.

Welcome BGAlumni.

First, Frye's the new guy. It's always easier to get excited over the new guy. Secondly, I would think it has something to do with Frye being their draft pick, while Harris was the Ravens draft pick. That's gotta be a mark against Josh right there. Third, Frye played right there in their backyard in Akron. BG not to far from Cleveland, but it's still just not quite the same as Akron in term of Plain dealer coverage. And finally, not to many Browns have seen Josh play yet, so to them he's no better or worse than Frye.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Mon May 23, 2005 3:23 pm

UK Peregrine wrote:
BGALUMNI wrote:Just a question that fits under this topic, but it seems that Browns fans have no faith in Harris what so ever. I find that odd that they have more faith in Frye winning the starting QB spot over Dilfer than Harris.
Welcome BGAlumni.

First, Frye's the new guy. It's always easier to get excited over the new guy. Secondly, I would think it has something to do with Frye being their draft pick, while Harris was the Ravens draft pick. That's gotta be a mark against Josh right there. Third, Frye played right there in their backyard in Akron. BG not to far from Cleveland, but it's still just not quite the same as Akron in term of Plain dealer coverage. And finally, not to many Browns have seen Josh play yet, so to them he's no better or worse than Frye.

And finally to those of us who have seen quite a bit of both players, Frye is a better pro prospect.

BGALUMNI · Post by **BGALUMNI** » Mon May 23, 2005 5:30 pm

hammb wrote:
And finally to those of us who have seen quite a bit of both players, Frye is a better pro prospect.

That would be your opinion. I have seen Frye play quite a bit and I wouldn't rank him so high.

Then again I am not, nor will I ever be confused with a Cleveland Browns fan.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Mon May 23, 2005 7:19 pm

BGALUMNI wrote:
hammb wrote:
And finally to those of us who have seen quite a bit of both players, Frye is a better pro prospect.

That would be your opinion. I have seen Frye play quite a bit and I wouldn't rank him so high.

Then again I am not, nor will I ever be confused with a Cleveland Browns fan.

My opinion, Phil Savage's opinion, and likely the opinion of nearly every NFL personnel man who has a job. Also the opinion of most draft prognosticators as well.

I love Josh & would love to see him become the starter for the Browns and push Charlie to a career backup, but most people who are not clouded by Falcon colored glasses know that he is not a top level NFL prospect. I think Josh can become a good starter at the next level, but it will take a lot of things falling into the right places for that to happen.

BGALUMNI · Post by **BGALUMNI** » Mon May 23, 2005 8:57 pm

There is no Falcon colored class clouding my judgement.

Draft day prognastacators? Yeah...Their opinion is just about as good as anyone elses. They have as much of a chance of picking a future hall of fame player as anyone. The draft is a crap shoot. Brady was a LATE round pick but has how many rings now?

My opinion is that if Frye is the future of the Browns, then the Browns are in trouble. Which is fine by me. Last team in the NFl for the Browns is the title I always like to see.

UK Peregrine · Post by **UK Peregrine** » Mon May 23, 2005 10:25 pm

hammb wrote:And finally to those of us who have seen quite a bit of both players, Frye is a better pro prospect.

Frye is a talented QB and I hate it that two MAC guys have to battle for the spot, but those are the breaks. Frye may have been a "better pro prospect", but then so was Ryan Leaf on a lot of draft boards. Both players seem to have the ability to be solid QBs in the NFL. The problem is that everyone compares Josh's senior season to Frye's. If you do that, I agree Frye is a more complete QB at the same time point, but as we all know Josh has a year under his belt watching NFL games up close and taking snaps in practice. One year of experience could be the great equalizer and may even give the Josh the edge this season. I'm pulling for Josh over Charlie because I think he will be better for the Browns and is more capable at taking NFL hits, which is a necessity when playing for the Browns.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Mon May 23, 2005 10:35 pm

I'm pulling for J5 as well, because I want to see the BG guy succeed. Of course NFL personnel people are wrong. They're wrong a large percentage of the time. But at the time of their respective drafts it is clear Charlie was the better prospect.

I like both of them a lot, because they both have the toughness, moxie, and leadership abilities to excel at the NFL level. Unfortunately for Josh, Frye also is a more accurate passer and taller. Josh probably has the stronger arm and is a better runner. Both of them have what it takes to perform at the next level, IMO, but I'd put Charlie ahead of Josh right now.

How that develops over time will remain to be seen.

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Mon May 23, 2005 10:43 pm

Josh just needs to coax Charlie into buying a crotch rocket, and he's set!

Bleeding Orange · Post by **Bleeding Orange** » Mon May 23, 2005 10:45 pm

hammb wrote:
BGALUMNI wrote:
hammb wrote:
And finally to those of us who have seen quite a bit of both players, Frye is a better pro prospect.

That would be your opinion. I have seen Frye play quite a bit and I wouldn't rank him so high.

Then again I am not, nor will I ever be confused with a Cleveland Browns fan.
My opinion, Phil Savage's opinion, and likely the opinion of nearly every NFL personnel man who has a job. Also the opinion of most draft prognosticators as well.

I love Josh & would love to see him become the starter for the Browns and push Charlie to a career backup, but most people who are not clouded by Falcon colored glasses know that he is not a top level NFL prospect. I think Josh can become a good starter at the next level, but it will take a lot of things falling into the right places for that to happen.

Hammb, when it comes to football I usually defer to your opinion. Here, though, I think you are way off base. And I must say that I am not saying this through BG orange+brown colored glasses -- I'm saying this through Browns orange+brown colored glasses (same damn thing, I know). If Charlie is to be the Browns' next QB, then great. But, he's going to be another Tim Couch - mark my words. He'll be great in the pocket, but get an ounce of pressure on him and he'll crack like a whore in church. I've seen enough of him to know that he has Kosar legs at best (yikes!). While Josh may not be the passer that Charlie [currently] is, he has much better legs, and with the Browns doing little to bolster their O-line, they need a quarterback, especially now, who has some legs under him. All of us around these parts know that Josh has superior legs. Give me all of the draft prognosticator's crap that you want, Josh, for the current Browns, is the much better young prospect.

FalconKing · Post by **FalconKing** » Tue May 24, 2005 12:28 am

Bleeding Orange wrote:While Josh may not be the passer that Charlie [currently] is, he has much better legs, and with the Browns doing little to bolster their O-line, they need a quarterback, especially now, who has some legs under him. All of us around these parts know that Josh has superior legs. Give me all of the draft prognosticator's crap that you want, Josh, for the current Browns, is the much better young prospect.

I only saw Frye play twice last year....in person vs Miami and on ESPN vs Marshall. He suprised the heck out of me with his mobility in both games though. He slipped out of the pocket time and time again and threw on the run with guys right in his face. To be honest, as far as pure quarterback mobility, he looked onpar with Josh. Josh had something that Charlie will never have...the eyes of a tailback. That makes us think of him as being a more mobile QB, but unfortunately with the speed of the game, I don't think that edge will translate into the NFL.