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Omar is just a side comment but the inclusion with his name with Leinart is nice to see yet again...

http://www.gbnreport.com/

they've got 5 BG players listed as draft prospects for next year...

omar jacobs
p.j. pope
charles sharon
mitchell crossley
jelani jordan

http://www.gbnreport.com/2006prospects.html

mk455 wrote:they've got 5 BG players listed as draft prospects for next year...

omar jacobs
p.j. pope
charles sharon
mitchell crossley
jelani jordan

http://www.gbnreport.com/2006prospects.html

hammb will add better insight, but ...

Crossley left after last season. Don't think he'll be drafted in 06.
Jordan: All flaming aside that he gets on this board, he won't get drafted.
Omar will get drafted; I believe Sharon will, too
P.J.? assuming BG has a very good, high-profile year, assuming he puts up numbers as good or better than the last two season, he has a good chance if he puts up some good measurables for the scouts.

1987alum wrote:

mk455 wrote:they've got 5 BG players listed as draft prospects for next year...

omar jacobs
p.j. pope
charles sharon
mitchell crossley
jelani jordan

http://www.gbnreport.com/2006prospects.html

hammb will add better insight, but ...

Crossley left after last season. Don't think he'll be drafted in 06.
Jordan: All flaming aside that he gets on this board, he won't get drafted.
Omar will get drafted; I believe Sharon will, too
P.J.? assuming BG has a very good, high-profile year, assuming he puts up numbers as good or better than the last two season, he has a good chance if he puts up some good measurables for the scouts.

No way Crossley gets drafted after sitting out a season. He was medium profile, late 2nd day type material anyways. Sitting out the year will really hurt him. In fact, unless he's got good workout numbers he'll have trouble getting a camp invite, IMO.

Jordan, I don't see it. If I had to guess at his combine 40 time I'd say 4.6 That won't get it done in the NFL. His 40 time & his height will mean a lot to the scouts. I tried to key on Jelani a few times last season and the guy is just not a good man to man cover guy. He's better in a zone. Obviously I cannot be assured of breakdowns or whatever expecting safety help without talking to the staff, but I can watch the WR-CB matchup and pretty easily figure out if its man or zone for the CB. Jelani seems to really struggle in man situations with double moves. He doesn't have the hips or makeup speed to counter the times he guesses wrong, which seems all too often. If he's got good coverage he does have good ball skills (explaining the high number of PD's & INT's, compared with how often he also gets burnt). I'm not the biggest Jelani fan, but I just don't see NFL draft pick in his pedigree. If he has an improved season combined with a stellar 40/height measurables I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility. He's a HUGE longshot right now, however.

Sharon I expect to get drafted, but I expected the same of Cole 1 year ago today. Sharon needs to stay healthy and duplicate last year's numbers. The guy seems to be fast on the MAC fields, but I don't think he's a blazer by NFL standards. If he can turn in a 40 in the 4.4 range I think it'd be good enough for draft day if he can also put 2 1000 yard seasons on his resumé. If he comes close to 15 TDs again, he'd be a lock as a 2nd day guy at the least, IMO. He's listed at 6'1 178. I'd say those are his biggest question marks. Is he a legit 6'1? NFL guys love to have WRs be over 6' nowadays, and it is a big time knock on them if they're not. If he does measure 6'1 it'll be a plus for his stock. 178 is a little light for a 6'1 WR, but not terribly so. If he could get up to 185-190 without losing speed before the combine I think his measurables would be plenty good enough. Again, I said the exact same thing about Cole 1 year ago and an injured toe derailed his chances, because he couldn't back up his numbers from the year before.

Omar is obviously a lock for the first day, anywhere near last year's numbers and he's a lock for the top 40 picks; likely in the top 15.

PJ is the guy who I think could be very successful in the NFL, but will need the workout to back it up. I'm going to assume that he'll put up another 1000 yards season with 400+ Receiving as well. He seems to make those numbers look easy, so I don't think its going out of the way to assume he'll do it again. He doesn't have the explosiveness or get enough touches to be seen as a future feature back, so that will knock him down to around the 3rd-5th round at best. However, he does have exactly the skillset that NFL teams like to see in a 3rd down back. He blocks well, he's great on draw plays, catches the ball wonderfully, and has tons of experience from a shotgun set. On the field he looks like a middle round pick for sure. That said, the combine will reveal a lot, it carries a lot of weight for RBs, usually. If he comes out and runs a 4.5 or so at the combine he'll be a lock. If he runs a 4.7 he will probably be outside the draft looking in. I know it doesn't sound like much, and personally I don't put much weight in it, but NFL guys will put some faith in the combine. Especially coming from the MAC, where few RBs have had any NFL impact at all.

In the end I expect Omar & Sharon to be drafted and Pope will be on the fringe, it will depend on the combine. Jelani could be draftable, but I'd put him at a huge longshot, I don't think he's got the man cover skills for CB or the size for S. Crossley has about as much chance of getting drafted as I do.

Hammb, what are your feelings about Steve Sanders? He seems to be a very notable BG player absent from this list. He has great size for the NFL and I would think he has a good shot at being drafted, if he performs well this season and has decent forty times.

UK Peregrine wrote:Hammb, what are your feelings about Steve Sanders? He seems to be a very notable BG player absent from this list. He has great size for the NFL and I would think he has a good shot at being drafted, if he performs well this season and has decent forty times.

Agreed on all accounts. If his height/weight numbers from BG's roster are legit he's the perfect example of what the NFL wants to see in a WR. If he could get to 1000 & 10 this year he could possibly get drafted. If he backed it up with a good or great 40 time in the combine he could get drafted ahead of Sharon. Sanders has size, and you cannot teach size. He had a breakout year last year, and really needs to back it up to have a chance though.

I'd put him at better odds to be drafted than Jordan. Glad you brought him up, I was only commenting on the above list, but Sanders does have an outside shot.

hammb wrote:

1987alum wrote:

mk455 wrote:they've got 5 BG players listed as draft prospects for next year...

omar jacobs
p.j. pope
charles sharon
mitchell crossley
jelani jordan

http://www.gbnreport.com/2006prospects.html

hammb will add better insight, but ...

Crossley left after last season. Don't think he'll be drafted in 06.
Jordan: All flaming aside that he gets on this board, he won't get drafted.
Omar will get drafted; I believe Sharon will, too
P.J.? assuming BG has a very good, high-profile year, assuming he puts up numbers as good or better than the last two season, he has a good chance if he puts up some good measurables for the scouts.

No way Crossley gets drafted after sitting out a season. He was medium profile, late 2nd day type material anyways. Sitting out the year will really hurt him. In fact, unless he's got good workout numbers he'll have trouble getting a camp invite, IMO.

I suspect they didn't know that Crossley had left school already and was eligible for the draft this past Spring.

Sanders has a better shot than Sharon. IMO

Oh yeah I also think Rob Warren has a chance too.

kdog27 wrote:Sanders has a better shot than Sharon. IMO

As far as long term potential you may be spot on. Sharon has the advantage of an extra year of production. Sanders didn't really start to breakout until last year. Sharon has 2 double digit TD seasons and has been a higher target for Harris/Omar in the past couple seasons.

With Sanders' size, however, I think you could be right that he has the higher ceiling of the two. In the end I think both WRs are NFL caliber, as at least a 4th/5th WR option. I believe both could have what it takes to be KR as well. Sharon also has the moves for PR, not sure if Sanders does.

Nothing would surprise me with those two. They're probably the best 2 athletes we have had in the Renaissance.

Hawk was a pretty decent athlete too. At 6'3" and 220-230 maybe we should have played him some at LB or SS.

Re Pope, Brandon recently claimed that he's running a 4.4ish 40. If that's true, he has an excellent chance of getting drafted late first day/early second (Chapman territory as opposed to Chester Taylor territory and I know...Chester has been the far superior pro) Assuming he doesn't have any injuries that take him out or affect his performance over the long haul (like Magner's foot). I don't see Pope as any every down back in the NFL, but he'd be great on passing downs

I think Warren is a better prospect than Jelani. Although I wouldn't sell Jelani short entirely...Detroit's carried at least half a dozen smallish corners that run a 4.6 40 and do OK playing zones during the Matt Millen era...

Flipper wrote:Hawk was a pretty decent athlete too. At 6'3" and 220-230 maybe we should have played him some at LB or SS.

Hawk is an excellent athlete, but got lost in the shuffle with Magner, Sharon, Sanders and, to a degree, McGrady.

Flipper wrote:Re Pope, Brandon recently claimed that he's running a 4.4ish 40. If that's true, he has an excellent chance of getting drafted late first day/early second ... Assuming he doesn't have any injuries that take him out or affect his performance over the long haul (like Magner's foot). I don't see Pope as any every down back in the NFL, but he'd be great on passing downs

hammb and I have talked about this before, too. Pope has a lot of skills that translate well to certain teams. Take the Eagles, for example. They love backs that they can use to create matchup problems for the defense or in specific situations. Westbrook is the obvious example, but if Buckhalter hadn't been injured, Westbrook's profile might not have been so high. Anyway, the Eagles will even find touches for the ageless Dorsey Leven or Reno Mahe. Yes, Reno Mahe.

Bottom line, with the right 40 numbers, Pope will be a valuable asset for an NFL team.

Flipper wrote:I think Warren is a better prospect than Jelani.

I was a bit disapponted to see Scott M. go so late. I'd like to see our O-linemen get a higher profile.

Flipper wrote: Although I wouldn't sell Jelani short entirely...Detroit's carried at least half a dozen smallish corners that run a 4.6 40 and do OK playing zones during the Matt Millen era...

Going forward, the benchmark I'll use for our DBs getting drafted is - are they better than Keon or Patten? Those two guys were standouts for us and didn't have NFL scouts beating down their door, so I think if a BGDB is going to get drafted, they'll have to at least perform as well as those two, in addition to putting up great workout numbers.

I had a class with Steve last semester. He is the touted height, and has gigantic hands. If he has a season equal to or better than last, then he has as good of a shot as Sharon in the draft.

Gets drafted. I'll eat a bug!! :-\ No way in a dreamy world of neverland does Jelani Jordan get drafted or signs as a UDFA. Its not going to happen. Jordan is too slow , not big enough and physical enough and just plain clueless out most of the time. Sure it be nice if ole Jelani does the spectacular and has a monster season picking off qb's and breaking up 10 or more passes this year, but I'm not holding my breath.

I've heard that Jelani thinks you have body odor and only the slightest chance of advancing beyond second shift manager at Rite Aid....