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Do you realize just how much better N. Illinois, Toledo, Miami and BG have been than the rest of the MAC?

The Big 4's winning percentage overall
BG .745
Toledo .711
N. I. .673
Miami .673

The rest
Kent .417
Akron .446
Ball State .354
C. Michigan .313
W. Michigan .313
E. Michigan .271
OU .250
Buffalo .140

Akron is the only one even close to .500 and they have not one an out of conference game in 4 years.

dang, thats crazy

what's the time frame on those percentages?

I'd be more curious to see the big 4's record against those opponents and avg. score, etc.

I know that BSU has a penchant for beating UT when they're at home. Of course Miami lost this past week. BG, OTOH, hasn't lost to any of those teams in quite awhile it seems. When the big 4 do have losses in conference play it seems to me that they're usually against one another...

hammb wrote:I'd be more curious to see the big 4's record against those opponents and avg. score, etc.

I know that BSU has a penchant for beating UT when they're at home. Of course Miami lost this past week. BG, OTOH, hasn't lost to any of those teams in quite awhile it seems. When the big 4 do have losses in conference play it seems to me that they're usually against one another...

Wasn't it Leo Durocher (sp?) who said his strategy was to beat the tar out of the "bums" as he called them and split with the good teams. Sure to put you in the race almost every time.

Not sure, thats straight out of this weeks press release for the Boise game.

yea i did realize that. in fact im always talking about that when referring to the MAC and i call them the "fab four". I think we get bad breaks in these OOC games b/c the Fab 4 always ends up playing the top of the Big 10 while the bottom matches up with the bottom. Which is fair in some respects, but i'd like to see BG,NIU,UT, and Miami get to play those middlish big 10 schools like Minnesota, Penn St, MSU because i think we could win those games. Then we could take our bottom feeders like Buffalo and put them against Mich or OSU b/c those 2 teams would beat anyone in the MAC and Buffalo would lose to anyone in the Big10.

BGSUFootballFan wrote: but i'd like to see BG,NIU,UT, and Miami get to play those middlish big 10 schools like Minnesota, Penn St, MSU because i think we could win those games. Then we could take our bottom feeders like Buffalo and put them against Mich or OSU b/c those 2 teams would beat anyone in the MAC and Buffalo would lose to anyone in the Big10.

But we HAVE beaten the middlish schools. Northwestern twice, Purdue once. And what has it gotten us? A whole lot of "yeah, but it was Northwestern". Even with Wisky in a semi-rebuilding year, beating them would have slapped the CFB world in the face and they'd wake up to BG. Hell, even with a loss, they've been talking about what our offense can do. NIU lost by 1 at Northwestern, and I haven't heard a peep about it. I'd rather run the "top 4" into UM, OSU, Wisky, Iowa and have a decent shot (in some years) for a win, than pile up wins against Northwestern or Indiana and get a bucketful of "yeah buts" thrown our way. The only way I want to play the Indianas is if a game at the Doyt is involved. But that horse has been dead for a few weeks now.

Courtesy of College Football Data Warehouse...

Miami all-time MAC record... 292-131-13 .685
BG all-time MAC record....... 269-171-22 .609
Toledo all-time MAC record.. 248-198-11 .555
Northern Illinois................. 111-136-6 .450

the press release states winning percentages since 2001....