Offseason 2022

[jpfalcon09]

An alternative might be to help Miami State transition to the CCHA by essentially working out a trade for Minnesota State. That would bum out some of the CCHA members to be sure -- that's a great program -- but I'd still take that trade. I'd love to have an Ohio rival again.

Minnesota State isn't going anywhere, any time soon. St Thomas, Bemidji, Augustana are all relatively close programs for them. They've had recent success in the tournament, which becomes a much harder road in the NCHC.

Interesting. I don't think Bowling Green would jump at an invitation to that league, but I've long kind of assumed Minnesota State would. Perhaps I'm wrong.

The Mavs are in a big fish in a very small pond. They will continue to dominate the CCHA while being able to schedule the NCHC powers for non-conference games. Best of both worlds. Very unlikely they leave given it's the path of least resistance to the NCAA tournament.

[TalonsUpPuckDown]

Saw that Chase Danol landed with the BG club team. You have to respect a guy who just wants to play hockey.

Chase had a pretty solid junior career in the BCHL and I was excited to see him join the team. Wish it had worked out better but at least he's staying home.

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/2 ... hase-danol

[pdt1081]

Saw that Chase Danol landed with the BG club team. You have to respect a guy who just wants to play hockey.

Chase had a pretty solid junior career in the BCHL and I was excited to see him join the team. Wish it had worked out better but at least he's staying home.

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/2 ... hase-danol

He seemed like a good get when he signed. Not sure why he couldn't seem to crack the lineup on a consistent basis.

[TalonsUpPuckDown]

Below are the three recruits we have currently playing in the USHL. You can check out Gustav this Friday on Flo when Des Moines visits Tri-City (I assume it's an exhibition game). Here's a link

Gustav Stjernberg-D Des Moines (USHL)
Ben Doran-C Sioux City (USHL)
Cole Moore-G Madison (USHL)

[BGPuckster2]

Who would like the 3rd leading scorer, as a defenseman, and MVP of the USHL last season to be on our team? He is from Sylvania, a suburb of Toledo for those who don't know, so he is a local kid.

[jpfalcon09]

Who would like the 3rd leading scorer, as a defenseman, and MVP of the USHL last season to be on our team? He is from Sylvania, a suburb of Toledo for those who don't know, so he is a local kid.

Mitchell Miller is a POS and regardless of how talented he is I hope he never comes anywhere close to touching the BG hockey program. His family isn't much better either.

[TalonsUpPuckDown]

Who would like the 3rd leading scorer, as a defenseman, and MVP of the USHL last season to be on our team? He is from Sylvania, a suburb of Toledo for those who don't know, so he is a local kid.

Mitchell Miller is a POS and regardless of how talented he is I hope he never comes anywhere close to touching the BG hockey program. His family isn't much better either.

Isn’t this the kid who was committed to Nodak before they backed out after the bullying story broke? Yeah, I gotta pass on this one.

[jpfalcon09]

Who would like the 3rd leading scorer, as a defenseman, and MVP of the USHL last season to be on our team? He is from Sylvania, a suburb of Toledo for those who don't know, so he is a local kid.

Mitchell Miller is a POS and regardless of how talented he is I hope he never comes anywhere close to touching the BG hockey program. His family isn't much better either.

Isn’t this the kid who was committed to Nodak before they backed out after the bullying story broke? Yeah, I gotta pass on this one.

Yes, super privileged white kid. Bullied a black and handicapped student while they went to school together. I think he was 14 at the time. Was drafted by the Coyotes but they dropped his rights after the details went public, although they had already known about it, same for Nodak. Par for the course with hockey culture.

I know his family very well since my second oldest nephew played in the travel league out of Sylvania. Real pieces of work. The court mandated the Miller family apologize to the kid he bullied and his parents as part of the ruling against him because they weren't going to do it otherwise.

So yes, please keep him away from BGSU.

[BGPuckster2]

So he doesn't get a second chance in life? At what point does keep punishing him become bullying too? For something he did as a 14 year old in 8th grade he gets a life sentence? You don't think he has served his time between the court and then years later, the embarrassment of what he went through getting his scholarship revoked and his draft status? He's not allowed to earn a living? Ever? Would you feel that way if he were in medical school trying to become a doctor? What would he need to do to satisfy his debt to society in your mind? If he killed someone in an alcohol related car accident would you want him? Careful how you answer that one because I know the answer.

[TalonsUpPuckDown]

So he doesn't get a second chance in life? At what point does keep punishing him become bullying too? For something he did as a 14 year old in 8th grade he gets a life sentence? You don't think he has served his time between the court and then years later, the embarrassment of what he went through getting his scholarship revoked and his draft status? He's not allowed to earn a living? Ever? Would you feel that way if he were in medical school trying to become a doctor? What would he need to do to satisfy his debt to society in your mind? If he killed someone in an alcohol related car accident would you want him? Careful how you answer that one because I know the answer.

I understand and appreciate the point you’re making. I would say you have to look at all these situations on a case-by-case basis. In this case the kid in question not only exhibited heinous behavior, he showed zero remorse when called to face the music. Nodak’s President intervened and yanked the kid off the team (though allowed him to remain enrolled) - knowing this, how does Rodgers look to the broader student body if he allows him on campus? What does bringing a kid like this do to team chemistry? What’s the risk he hasn’t learned anything - does the hockey program, athletic dept and university at large need and want to deal with the ensuing shitstorm that will result if he steps out of line?

Like you said, we’re all entitled to a second chance. Simply put from my perspective, I prefer he get his second chance at another school or the OHL.

[Schadenfreude]

So he doesn't get a second chance in life? .... For something he did as a 14 year old in 8th grade he gets a life sentence?

Let's talk about this "something." Mitchell Miller repeatedly told an developmentally disabled African American classmate, Isaiah Meyer-Crothers, to pick his cotton. He repeatedly called the kid an n-bomb and "brownie." He repeatedly bullied the kid. He even forced the kid to eat a piece of candy that had been wiped along the inside of a urinal. And he also assaulted the kid by kicking and punching him. That's on video.

A juvenile court magistrate concluded that Miller had absolutely no remorse for his actions. The only reason Miller apologized to Meyer-Crothers is because a court ordered him to do it.

Do I believe in second chances? Absolutely. But I also believe in contrition. Miller hasn't shown it.

He's not allowed to earn a living?

There are plenty of jobs out there for people who want to work. Mitchell Miller isn't entitled to play hockey at Bowling Green.

[BGPuckster2]

Let me be clear, I do not remotely in anyway defend what he did to deserve the court punishment. I would look more into his behavior while in the USHL and check to see how he has handled himself and how represented the team he played for, especially prior to this becoming so public. If he has acted like he did when he was 14 then don't bother with him. However, if he has learned his lesson and been a model citizen, vet him as best you can and if satisfied, give him a second chance.

This program gave a second chance to Dan Price back in the day. He was involved in a car accident while he was driving that ended up killing a fellow student. He was found guilty of manslaughter and given 5 years probation. He was allowed to keep playing even though he was on the team when it happened. Of the two cases, the Price incident had by far the worse outcome. This was in the late '90's. So comparing how a 7 year old bullying event is now being used to keep a kid off of any and all college teams is unfathomable to me. Dan Price was forgiven and given another chance, shouldn't Mitch Miller get the same second chance?

[pdt1081]

Let me be clear, I do not remotely in anyway defend what he did to deserve the court punishment. I would look more into his behavior while in the USHL and check to see how he has handled himself and how represented the team he played for, especially prior to this becoming so public. If he has acted like he did when he was 14 then don't bother with him. However, if he has learned his lesson and been a model citizen, vet him as best you can and if satisfied, give him a second chance.

This program gave a second chance to Dan Price back in the day. He was involved in a car accident while he was driving that ended up killing a fellow student. He was found guilty of manslaughter and given 5 years probation. He was allowed to keep playing even though he was on the team when it happened. Of the two cases, the Price incident had by far the worse outcome. This was in the late '90's. So comparing how a 7 year old bullying event is now being used to keep a kid off of any and all college teams is unfathomable to me. Dan Price was forgiven and given another chance, shouldn't Mitch Miller get the same second chance?

The two events are not even comparable. Neither are the character of the individuals involved. I will guarantee you if you asked Price about that night, today, he would STILL be remorseful. The POS that you are defending had to be ORDERED BY THE COURT to apologize for his actions. Thankfully, BGSU Hockey is not a win at all costs organization, so this argument is moot.

*Edited to add Price was punished by the team, not simply "forgiven." He fulfilled all that was required and then some.

[BGPuckster2]

You respond like he just did this at the age of 20. He was 14 at the time. You are treating him like an adult when he wasn't. What in your mind should he do to make things right PDT?? The two aren't comparable? You're right, one kid is dead, the other embarrassed. Which parents should be more upset? So you have no forgiveness in you? You will be forgiven as you forgive others right? At what point does continuing to punish him become bullying? I think you are there, but I assume you aren't 14 but rather an adult that knows better. So bullying him now makes you no different and actually worse since you should know better.

If we are setting a Puritan standard, I bet you could find many at BGSU that wouldn't pass that. I am pretty sure there are kids on the football team or basketball teams that aren't saints either, you just don't know about it. I am saying the kid deserves a second chance and should be given one and I am trying to help the BG hockey team to be better too. What are you trying to do?

[TalonsUpPuckDown]

Dude, you have your answer. I don't give a s**t about other kids on other BG teams. I don't give a s**t about his age when he committed these heinous acts. You worked hard to frame this in the best light possible but none of the regulars on this forum want this kid anywhere near the BG hockey ecosystem. You can get "moral" all you want, but the consensus is this kid is a POS. Mitch was previously a Miami commit. Go try your luck on miamihawktalk.com. They're desperate...we aren't.

I'm curious, what's your angle...are you Mitch's parent? Never mind, I don't care. I'm confident in the way Ty runs the program that he wouldn't touch (you? or) your son with a 10' pole. And I'm glad. I'd be embarrassed if he were a member of the Falcon community.

Too bad Mel Pearson is out of a job. With him in charge in Ann Arbor you'd have much better luck pleading your case on a Michigan message board. Or if you're too scared to try miamihawktalk.com, try siouxsports.com. Sorry, the Nodak president thinks your arguments are BS. Never mind. Maybe try LIU? Augustana? Lindenwood? Huntsville? Norwalk? There are plenty of options for a talented kid who is a racist bigot that shows no remorse for his actions.

Lastly, trying to claim that denying Mitch a roster spot on the BG hockey team subsequently makes Mitch the victim is bullshit. He is not the victim, he's the perp. Nice try. Not buying. Go away.

Rant over.