Cartwright: Mid-April target for BGSU cuts

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:54 am

Playing one sport against the other or trying to "excommunicate" people from the movement is a really stupid thing to do. You're playing right into their hands. The administration would love for the discussion to turn into a fight between the fans of various sports...they don't need to follow a "divide and conquer" plan of action if you do it for them. Instead of fighting over bigger pieces of the pie, fight for a bigger pie....

How does Miami fund hockey and football and the rest of their sports...how does Western Michigan do it?

Ydfalcon · Post by **Ydfalcon** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:10 am

MACMAN wrote:
Please they are not misguided views, violent at times, "visionary" at others...

*Long, drawn out whistle*

Wow somebody has a high opinion of themselves...

Anyway, yes, let's save hockey. But let's not do it at the expense of cutting off all of our other sports at the knees by bumping them down a division. That's one of the things I love about BGSU. The fact that while we are a smaller university, which allows for a better sense of connection and community with the athletes and the athletic programs in general (i.e., they are real people and not some god-like figures), we still compete on the grand stage as well. There's no reason to go that far and start hacking up other programs.

Hockey may have some of the best support and arguably the proudest traditions at this school, but there is no denying that there are very proud traditions and a lot of fervent fans for the other sports as well. I for one want to see everything continue the way it is now, with us fielding the same number of teams we already do. I'd really prefer us to expand and become bigger and bigger all the time, but at the very least, I don't want us to start taking steps back.

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:08 am

I am who I am I dont hide it or try to cover it up with a sugar sweet frosting, passionate and hot blooded. Great and trusted friend to my friends, loving committed soul mate to my wife, and best father I know how to be for my children, and when I believe in something Im all in, pursuing that which make me happy.

In looking at the whole there is a budget "crisis" as defined by the U. For the U to just single out hockey as the go to sport to cut, esp in light of the fact that they KNOW they have been undercutting it for years and to not have the likes of Football on the table is a poor way of moving on solving this problem. More troubling yet is that the president is willing to have our treasured alumni raise the funds to save the program and quite possibly reestablish its greatness...yet will not give a garuntee that she will not turn coat and rob it a year, two or 6 later and ROB it AGAIN is even more wrong.
I am only one who sees this spade? The president and the trusties need to come forward and allow the fans and alum to save the program under a guarantee that if we raise X dollars we will have Y years of min funding and if we want to truly reestablish this program to greatness we will need to raise Z Dollars to be on pace with the MI's, OSU's, ND's and Miami's.
How effing hard is it to provide people with the information needed to set an effing goal so that work can be done reach the desired objective? Is it to much ask, I dont think so.

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:12 am

MACMAN wrote:I am who I am I dont hide it or try to cover it up with a sugar sweet frosting, passionate and hot blooded. Great and trusted friend to my friends, loving committed soul mate to my wife, and best father I know how to be for my children, and when I believe in something Im all in, pursuing that which make me happy.

In looking at the whole there is a budget "crisis" as defined by the U. For the U to just single out hockey as the go to sport to cut, esp in light of the fact that they KNOW they have been undercutting it for years and to not have the likes of Football on the table is a poor way of moving on solving this problem. More troubling yet is that the president is willing to have our treasured alumni raise the funds to save the program and quite possibly reestablish its greatness...yet will not give a garuntee that she will not turn coat and rob it a year, two or 6 later and ROB it AGAIN is even more wrong.
I am only one who sees this spade? The president and the trusties need to come forward and allow the fans and alum to save the program under a garuntee that if we raise X dollars we will have Y years of min funding and if we want to truely reestablish this program to greatness we to raise Z Dollars to be on pace with the MI's, OSU's, ND's and Miami's.
How effing hard is it to provide people with the information needed to set an effing goal so that work can be done reach the desired objective? Is it to much ask, I dont think so.

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:14 am

NWLB wrote:
MACMAN wrote:I am who I am I dont hide it or try to cover it up with a sugar sweet frosting, passionate and hot blooded. Great and trusted friend to my friends, loving committed soul mate to my wife, and best father I know how to be for my children, and when I believe in something Im all in, pursuing that which make me happy.

In looking at the whole there is a budget "crisis" as defined by the U. For the U to just single out hockey as the go to sport to cut, esp in light of the fact that they KNOW they have been undercutting it for years and to not have the likes of Football on the table is a poor way of moving on solving this problem. More troubling yet is that the president is willing to have our treasured alumni raise the funds to save the program and quite possibly reestablish its greatness...yet will not give a garuntee that she will not turn coat and rob it a year, two or 6 later and ROB it AGAIN is even more wrong.
I am only one who sees this spade? The president and the trusties need to come forward and allow the fans and alum to save the program under a garuntee that if we raise X dollars we will have Y years of min funding and if we want to truely reestablish this program to greatness we to raise Z Dollars to be on pace with the MI's, OSU's, ND's and Miami's.
How effing hard is it to provide people with the information needed to set an effing goal so that work can be done reach the desired objective? Is it to much ask, I dont think so.

sorry I dont fit your in your neat little box...NOT

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:16 am

MACMAN, I believe one thing you want to see is the hockey program funded to the equal levels of other top programs. That's fine, I understand that. But if I came on here and said I want to see the football program funded to the levels of the top programs, you'd think I was nuts.

Also, if the football program was funded like a Big Ten school, I guarantee you would see the program consistently in the top 25, dominating the MAC every single year and playing spoiler, ala Boise St, in the stupid BCS system. So why don't we do that instead?

rood · Post by **rood** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:20 am

I think the solution here would be to have whatever money the alumni (big and small) can raise put into an endowment for HOCKEY. It's my understanding that a specified endowment can only be used according to whatever stipulations the endower stipulates. I don't know what would happen to an endowment if the program is later killed.

Just a thought.

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:21 am

MACMAN wrote:
NWLB wrote:
MACMAN wrote:I am who I am I dont hide it or try to cover it up with a sugar sweet frosting, passionate and hot blooded. Great and trusted friend to my friends, loving committed soul mate to my wife, and best father I know how to be for my children, and when I believe in something Im all in, pursuing that which make me happy.

In looking at the whole there is a budget "crisis" as defined by the U. For the U to just single out hockey as the go to sport to cut, esp in light of the fact that they KNOW they have been undercutting it for years and to not have the likes of Football on the table is a poor way of moving on solving this problem. More troubling yet is that the president is willing to have our treasured alumni raise the funds to save the program and quite possibly reestablish its greatness...yet will not give a garuntee that she will not turn coat and rob it a year, two or 6 later and ROB it AGAIN is even more wrong.
I am only one who sees this spade? The president and the trusties need to come forward and allow the fans and alum to save the program under a garuntee that if we raise X dollars we will have Y years of min funding and if we want to truely reestablish this program to greatness we to raise Z Dollars to be on pace with the MI's, OSU's, ND's and Miami's.
How effing hard is it to provide people with the information needed to set an effing goal so that work can be done reach the desired objective? Is it to much ask, I dont think so.

sorry I dont fit your in your neat little box...NOT

Dude, are you drunk? Your posts have coming across a bit more like somebody going on a week-long boozer by the hour.

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:29 am

rood wrote:I think the solution here would be to have whatever money the alumni (big and small) can raise put into an endowment for HOCKEY. It's my understanding that a specified endowment can only be used according to whatever stipulations the endower stipulates. I don't know what would happen to an endowment if the program is later killed.

Just a thought.

I think people are going to be very gun-shy about locking money into the University until some faith is restored in it. Some might see being asked to pump cash into Falcon Club, or a University controlled endowment as a backdoor money grab.

It would be pricey and complicated, but I would rather support an external, NON-BGSU controled fund, which would send the money to BGSU for a specific purpose, ensure accountability, etc.

And if they cut hockey, before I ever give a dime to BGSU, including athletics, I might like to see an external fund setup to do the same thing. There is a degree of trust I have come to lack when it comes to BGSU just now. Indeed, I wonder if there might not be a surprising large number of athletics donor who might rather the purpose of their money be more secure than by giving it directly to BGSU.

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:57 am

NWLB wrote:
rood wrote:I think the solution here would be to have whatever money the alumni (big and small) can raise put into an endowment for HOCKEY. It's my understanding that a specified endowment can only be used according to whatever stipulations the endower stipulates. I don't know what would happen to an endowment if the program is later killed.

Just a thought.
I think people are going to be very gun-shy about locking money into the University until some faith is restored in it. Some might see being asked to pump cash into Falcon Club, or a University controlled endowment as a backdoor money grab.

It would be pricey and complicated, but I would rather support an external, NON-BGSU controled fund, which would send the money to BGSU for a specific purpose, ensure accountability, etc.

And if they cut hockey, before I ever give a dime to BGSU, including athletics, I might like to see an external fund setup to do the same thing. There is a degree of trust I have come to lack when it comes to BGSU just now. Indeed, I wonder if there might not be a surprising large number of athletics donor who might rather the purpose of their money be more secure than by giving it directly to BGSU.

Oddly you must drinking from the same trough as your spewing the exact same thoughts.

sbkbghockey · Post by **sbkbghockey** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:10 pm

Warthog wrote:MACMAN, I believe one thing you want to see is the hockey program funded to the equal levels of other top programs. That's fine, I understand that. But if I came on here and said I want to see the football program funded to the levels of the top programs, you'd think I was nuts.

Also, if the football program was funded like a Big Ten school, I guarantee you would see the program consistently in the top 25, dominating the MAC every single year and playing spoiler, ala Boise St, in the stupid BCS system. So why don't we do that instead?

I do see MACMAN's point, it's unreasonable to expect the unv. to fund football basketball etc. as much as Big 10 programs. In the MAC we'll always be one of many mid-major teams in basketball and football! I also agree that in today's football landscape it almost impossible for BG to win a national championship. Hockey is a sport that breaksdown some of the barriers between smaller schools and large schools. And funding between them isn't as drastic as between other sports like football or basketball.

Basically from the article it appears GC knows too. If the hky team was funded properly then we'd be a much better team.

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:17 pm

sbkbghockey wrote:
Warthog wrote:MACMAN, I believe one thing you want to see is the hockey program funded to the equal levels of other top programs. That's fine, I understand that. But if I came on here and said I want to see the football program funded to the levels of the top programs, you'd think I was nuts.

Also, if the football program was funded like a Big Ten school, I guarantee you would see the program consistently in the top 25, dominating the MAC every single year and playing spoiler, ala Boise St, in the stupid BCS system. So why don't we do that instead?
I do see MACMAN's point, it's unreasonable to expect the unv. to fund football basketball etc. as much as Big 10 programs. In the MAC we'll always be one of many mid-major teams in basketball and football! I also agree that in today's football landscape it almost impossible for BG to win a national championship. Hockey is a sport that breaksdown some of the barriers between smaller schools and large schools. And funding between them isn't as drastic as between other sports like football or basketball.

Basically from the article it appears GC knows too. If the hky team was funded properly then we'd be a much better team.

I don't know why anybody cares if football can win a "national championship." It wasn't why the sport was started, and hardly an expectation for basically its entire existence.

Some with basketball.

Hockey, this is another topic. Hockey can, has, and could again.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:50 pm

But some people that is justification for having the sport. As I said a few weeks ago, why don't we just dump all available funds into lacrosse or field hockey or some minor sport if the only consideration is trying to win a national championship.

MooneyRich86 · Post by **MooneyRich86** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:55 pm

Wow !! I understand everyone is a little hot right now, myself included.

But like MACMAN I am passionate and I wear it on my sleeve which I

believe is best so everyone knows exactly where I stand. Unfortunately

that can't be said for the University which continues to dance and bob and

purposefully give "no" information on the subject. The more that goes on

the more the alums are going to be upset. It's pretty simple, we're all

willing and able and we know this can be fixed and work well as long as

the right people manage it correctly, but the U seems locked in to hockey

for some reason and the "dollars" involved.

murphdogg · Post by **murphdogg** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:47 pm

People need to take a deep breath, relax, and realize we are all on the same side.

Cutting football would not be a financially sound decision. Yes, we are never going to compete for a National Championship, at least not in the current system, and attendance has been lacking, but that's not where small conference schools get their money. BCS teams pay huge sums of money for cannon fodder in their non-conference schedule. This past year, Texas paid $900,000 to Florida Atlantic to come get blown out in Austin. Fellow MAC school Western Michigan received $800,000 from Nebraska to play in Lincoln. The university should, as distasteful as it sounds, bite the bullet and schedule a Michigan or a Florida for the soul purpose of getting our asses kicked and walking out of the stadium with a fistful of cash for our troubles. One or two games like this per year would do wonders for our financial woes