the coach

rc_ziggy84 · Post by **rc_ziggy84** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:00 am

bigdog wrote:Can we just take a look at the senior class that is there currently. It started at 10 players and now there is 3 becuase the rest have quit do the idiot that you people for some stupid reason support.

This is an interesting stat here. I did my research. This year's Sr. class has been small since the beginning. The only people who have left the program from this class are Dobek (who graduated early) and Siggy Jr. (who left when his brother did). So I'm not sure where these other 5 players were or who they are.

This was also Pooch's first year recruiting. I don't know the timing of things, but it's possible he didn't have a full amount of time to recruit and hence the small number of players. I don't know.. it's a possibility?

I think it would be interesting to check the IP's of ppl who have posted in the thread... me thinks we would find a lot the same!

btw..

bigdog wrote:...have quit do the idiot that you...

yeah... i are smart too.

Rightupinthere · Post by **Rightupinthere** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:42 am

rc_ziggy84 wrote: I think it would be interesting to check the IP's of ppl who have posted in the thread... me thinks we would find a lot the same!

The ips are all different from different areas of the US and Canada.

Dublin Falcon · Post by **Dublin Falcon** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:38 pm

Voakes and Hanson also left.

Tech83 · Post by **Tech83** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:16 am

I normally don't enter into frays such as these because they are a waste of time and useless. But this really is not about hockey in particular. As RUIT said, this is about life.

I have lost track of the number of times I have heard a "player" or an young employee say they know more than the coach or boss.

I work in a very cutthroat, mean spirited profession - Architecture..... would not trade it for the world. Actually had an employer tell me once he could "Ruin my career." or be "Replaced with someone off the street'" . BTW - I produced and worked on two award-winning projects for the jackass in 10 months.

I had Professors (coaches) who would ask students if maybe "selling shoes was a better profession" for them to pursue. They have used my work in their published articles, so I must not have been as bad as they said...now they call me to be a visiting critic.

Get the picture..... these people were not there to be my friend. They were there to push my lazy a$$ into working hard and pushing myself to be better. I am still pushing hard.......20 years later. There is a point in life where you should not need someone to kick your a$$ to make you demand high standards of your own work.

Years later - I am pretty much one of those guys. This is a high demanding profession. Either work your a$$ off..... listen to what I tell you to do..... or get the Hell out my office.

To the former players coming to this board crying about any coach........a few reminders.....

These coaches have played more games, coached more games, worked harder at the sport than any of you to this point. They have played more games, coached more games and worked harder at the sport than any of your parents.The coaches have been to greater heights in their sport than any of you have at this young point in your playing career. In other words, they have credentials.... YOU DON'T.

It the same for my employees.... they haven't been published (I have), they haven't won any awards (I have), and they haven't received any professional recogination (I have).... so they will shut up and do I as say. They are working for me and on MY PROJECTS. If you don't like it, go work for someplace else. It is that easy. There are plenty of hack architects who don't care about the quality of work. There are plenty of Div III hockey programs.

There are thousands of architecture graduates looking to break into my profession and young people (and older malcontents) can be replaced.

There are thousands of kids who want to play college hockey (or any other sport). You can and will be replaced.

I tell people (co-workers, employees, subconsultants, contractors......) this all the time..... "If you were looking for a friend, you should think about buying a puppy. We are here to produce the highest quality of work we can. Not be a coffe clatch" I have never, nor will I ever, socialize with co-workers, employees outside of business hours.

"This isn't personal, It's business."

This whole thread was started by a player and supported by players under the thin disquise of saying the program is in shambles. Sorry girls, you sound like a couple of cry babies. "Coach doesn't like me." "Coach doesn't know how to play me." " Coach has no personality." BLAH BLAH BLAH. Coaches who can't meet the standard will be replaced. And its not up to players. Coaches run the team not players. Suck it up and be a professional.

Life Lesson #1 - never air dirty laundry and never speak against the family. Remember Fredo.

In closing my rant......Have you thought about selling shoes for a living....... and can I interest you in a puppy.

FindlayFalcon · Post by **FindlayFalcon** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:16 am

OMG Tech--that was fantastic.

factman · Post by **factman** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:54 am

BRAVO!!!!!!!!

Rightupinthere · Post by **Rightupinthere** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:17 pm

Patrick with an unloading of some @ss kicking prose! Nicely done!

Couple of things:

1: Reading that reminded me that you're going to be too expensive for my home project (scheduled to begin in 2017)

2: I'm not an architect, but I want to work fo you. However, I'm probably going to be too expensive for you.

Tech83 · Post by **Tech83** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:49 pm

Rightupinthere wrote:

Patrick with an unloading of some @ss kicking prose! Nicely done!

Couple of things:

1: Reading that reminded me that you're going to be too expensive for my home project (scheduled to begin in 2017)

2: I'm not an architect, but I want to work fo you. However, I'm probably going to be too expensive for you.

1. Naaa..... we're not expensive, but good at what we do..... BTW, I have a couple really cool residential project going right now. One is a total renovation of a 1872 farmhouse on 5 acres surrounded by a nature reserve. Incredibule peice of property..... for a bachelor (divorced guy in his 60's). The house has lots of original fabric left even original wood flooring.

2. The attention to detail your job takes and since you know what it takes to "get it done", you would work well for PH Associates.

BGFan · Post by **BGFan** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:09 pm

Dublin Falcon wrote:Voakes and Hanson also left.

I saw both of them play. They were in over their heads and really didn't have the skills needed to play at this level.

You have to realize that a lot of the players coming in are recruited walk ons meaning that they'll be given a look but no guarantees. They're coming in here with no scholarship offer but have the chance to earn one if they're good enough. Neither Voakes or Hanson were. (FWIW, Voakes was the better of the two and lasted the longest.)

bigdog · Post by **bigdog** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:11 pm

Just for all of you who have done your research, embarssing. If this is the half ass information that you people get it is no wonder why you have the standpoint you do. The people who have quit from the current senior class are Hanson, Voakes, Prushnick (goalie), Lang, Dobek. You guys almost knew what you were talking about. I would also like to state that none of them where asked to leave. All of the above chose to do so becuase they could not stand the coach. I think it is funny, this is a prime example of all of you who come on here and pretend to know more about this team than I do. You guys know bits and pieces but not the whole picture. If you have any questions for me just ask and I will be able to tell you what is really going on.

BGFan · Post by **BGFan** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:30 pm

bigdog wrote:Just for all of you who have done your research, embarssing. If this is the half ass information that you people get it is no wonder why you have the standpoint you do. The people who have quit from the current senior class are Hanson, Voakes, Prushnick (goalie), Lang, Dobek. You guys almost knew what you were talking about. I would also like to state that none of them where asked to leave. All of the above chose to do so becuase they could not stand the coach. I think it is funny, this is a prime example of all of you who come on here and pretend to know more about this team than I do. You guys know bits and pieces but not the whole picture. If you have any questions for me just ask and I will be able to tell you what is really going on.

FWIW, Dobek came in with last year's class but had to sit out a year. He had the same attitude as you and your classmates. (big surprise)

The others had about as much chance of playing as a fart in the wind. Regardless of whether or not they left on their own, the writing was on the wall. It was agonizing watching them try to play. The same thing happens, whether you want to believe it or not, with every class that come in to every D1 school that recruits them. Some make it, some don't. The ones that don't make it usually aren't missed. If they were good enough to play, chances are they'd be playing on another D1 team somewhere.

bigdog · Post by **bigdog** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:46 pm

I don't disagree with your post, some of the people might not have been good enough. That is not the point I am trying to make. These people were players that played while they were in BG. But left due to the coach. Whether they were good enough is not in question, I am trying to show that there may not have been any trasnfers from our school, instead people just quit. To me that is worse.

Bleeding Orange · Post by **Bleeding Orange** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:09 pm

bigdog wrote:If you have any questions for me just ask...

What is your name?

Tricky_Falcon · Post by **Tricky_Falcon** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:26 pm

Bleeding Orange wrote:
bigdog wrote:If you have any questions for me just ask...
What is your name?

I asked that a page ago. He's still not man enough to answer and if he does it will be some made up name.

Seems to me like coach weeded out the weakest players. The players get ticked off and make their way over here to trash the coach. This happened last spring when former players and their parents were posting on the baseball forum.

Tech83 · Post by **Tech83** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:32 pm

bigdog wrote:I don't disagree with your post, some of the people might not have been good enough. That is not the point I am trying to make. These people were players that played while they were in BG. But left due to the coach. Whether they were good enough is not in question, I am trying to show that there may not have been any trasnfers from our school, instead people just quit. To me that is worse.

No it is not worse. Again.... this is about life, not hockey. There are approximately 75 students that start the undergraduate architecture program at Miami. About 15- 20 end up graduating from the program. Why the big drop? Lots of reasons, lack of talent, unwilling to put in the hours to learn the craft, lack of mental strength to handle the pressure and competitive nature of the program.

If a player quits his sport, it means he lacks the talent and the ablities to play at that particular level, the self-disipline it takes to develop into a better player, lack of mental strength to overcome adversity...... you know the drill. If they transfer, then its a issue. But in reality, transfers are typically problem children. The point being is simple......Many are called, Few are chosen.

Concerning your post on another thread about the seniors not being able to give a speech at the banquet. It's not the time or place to air your dirty laundry and if the coaches sensed it, good for them. Be a man and confront the coach directly.

The whole aspect of respect for the coach is laughable. You need to read his bio again..... he has the credentials, you don't. The lack of respect, if it exists, is a problem for the player, not the coach to resolve. If you don't respect someone, don't work or play for them. It is that simple.

However, if a coach, even a BG coach, does not meet the expectations of his direct reports, then he will be gone....... and selling shoes. If what you feel is true about Coach Paluch, he won't be around in a few years.