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Coaches getting out.... before it's too late
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:36 am
by ShaneFalco
Kevin Patrick, Jamie Dumont, and Matt Messaros.... I'd have to say these guys have a good head on their shoulders. If you don't agree with what is going on, it is good to just get out before it is too late. Patrick tried to get out a couple times, interviewing with numerous teams, but I am happy to see his success with Wisconsin.
Messaros was an unbelievable asset to the team, he will be missed, but he can only put up with so much.
Dumont was a quick learner....
Who Knows....
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:45 am
by FalconBlue
Kevin Patrick made a good decision and now is part of a National Championship Team. Jamie Dumont went from the players’ favorite to "yes man" in one season and is better off with the Portland Pirates. Matt Messaros has other aspirations and the Football staff has adequately covered his job, at least for the off-season.
One can only hope the new AD will have a passion for hockey and the programs former greatness. Confidence in, and Leadership by the coaches is "key" but I don't believe it is achievable with the status quo. Danton Cole may however be the “Missing Link”, who knows.
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:53 am
by freddiethefalconBG
i agree. these guys are not dumb. they can see where this program is headed under pauluch and fogarty and that is in the dumps. of course they left because they want to get out before it is too late. the biggest mistake this school ever made was letting matt messaros slip away. that guy was the best thing that ever happen to bg. the players loved him, and he knew what he was doing. there has never been and never will be a strength coach that knows how to get guys to work to the best of their ability and beyond the way matt messaros was able too. he was awsome. he was not stupid, he realized what was going on and so did the rest of the coaches that chose to leave. they all hated being a part of pauluch and fogarty's organization just like all the players hate it too. its no secret. matt loved hockey. even thow he played football he did not care for it as much as he did for hockey. he loved all the guys and the guys loved him. the only reason why guys would play hard was for him not the coaches. you see matt cared about his players. pauluch and fogarty do not. they just pretend that they do. they only care for a very select few the rest can drop dead and they would care less. thats just not good. pauluch and fogarty will never be winners at BG. pauluch should go back to being an assistant under jerry york and fogarty should just leave the game because he is a complete scumbag that nobody likes or has any respect for.
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:28 pm
by McConvey
Not to sound stupid, but why exactly would the coaches recruit kids they didn't like? And on the flip side, why would kids come to play for coaches they don't like?
I've never heard of a single recruit who choose a program based on who the strength and conditioning coach is (no offense to Matt Messaros, who I'm sure is a nice guy).
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:32 pm
by pdt1081
freddiethefalconBG wrote: there has never been and never will be a strength coach that knows how to get guys to work to the best of their ability and beyond the way matt messaros was able too.
Now, you're either showing just how young you are, or you're just completely stupid. There is no way that statement can ever be made. Not trying to take anything away from Messaros, but you cannot forget Coach Ward.
Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:53 pm
by freddiethefalconBG
you people have no clue. im done with all of you. sory for trying to help you people realize what is going on. if you dont want to beleive me thats fine. guess we'll just wait and see, wont we?
Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:20 pm
by transfer2BGSU
freddiethefalconBG wrote:you people have no clue. im done with all of you. sory for trying to help you people realize what is going on. if you dont want to beleive me thats fine. guess we'll just wait and see, wont we?
So long
Farewell.
Auf weidersehn.
Good-bye.
Adios.
Asta la vista.
Au revoir.
Don't let the door hit ya' where the good Lord split ya'!
Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:28 pm
by Falcon Fanatic
freddiethefalconBG wrote: im done with all of you.
Promise?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:05 pm
by Rightupinthere
freddiethefalconBG wrote:you people have no clue.
I now officially back you up.
I want coach Pauluch fired. Once you find a guy by that name, you let us know.
ps: Credibility means you must spell your victim's name correctly. 4X Paluch was misspelt [sic] in your post.
Nice to see you're able to still use a computer on your summer break. Are you still helping your dad out with his paper route this summer?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:33 pm
by MACMAN
Rightupinthere wrote:freddiethefalconBG wrote:you people have no clue.
I now officially back you up.
I want coach Pauluch fired. Once you find a guy by that name, you let us know.
ps: Credibility means you must spell your victim's name correctly. 4X Paluch was misspelt [sic] in your post.
Nice to see you're able to still use a computer on your summer break. Are you still helping your dad out with his paper route this summer?
lol
to be devils advocate...your name has no spaces
and for others the team is just fine and will do very well ths year.
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:23 pm
by Puckhead
There are 2 groups of people that are on this board that just amaze me.
The first group is the FreddietheFalconBG and ShaneFalco group. In reading what they have written it sounds like they played hockey for BG and graduated in 2004, 05 or 06. This means that he/they could have been here from 2000 to 2006. They sound like they really care about BGSU, BG hockey and our hockey community. It sounds like they bleed orange just like our colleague from Arizona. It sounds like they want the best for BG Hockey - present and future. They sound like they had very successful careers in the juniors, and should have had very successful careers at BG and beyond. In their opinion they have been stomped, demoralized and betrayed by Pooch and Ron. They do not want this behavior to continue at BGSU Hockey, or to future players.
What amazes me is that a student that has spent 3 or 4 or 5 years at this institution of higher learning has not learned how to spell, sentence structure or that the 1st letter in a sentence is suppose to capitalized. I am willing to cut them some slack because they are talking from emotion, not doing a composition. The questions is, who is to blame, the student that did not learn, or the US or Canadian school systems that did not teach?
For the record I like Scott and Ron. Ron is a normal sized person. I think that the level of recruits has improved over the last 4 years. I hope that everything that Shane and FreddieBG has said is the rambling of some disgruntled malcontents. I probably have as much time, money, emotional energy and blood invested in BGSU Hockey as any of you out there.
The second group that I find interesting are the Kool Aid drinking faithful. These people will find a preceived flaw in an argument and therefore disregard the whole tone of the argument.
Bad grammar and spelling does not help Shane’s argument. Bad spelling and grammar should not delete the points that are made.
If one of these guys played from 2000 -2004, his opinion of Masters v Sigalet would be different than some one watching in 2003 - 2005; this does not make his opinion null and void. Arron Hillman and Matt Messaros are the only hockey strength coaches that these guys have known. Do not dismiss FrddieBG and Shane because they do not praise Coach Ward. How can we as supporters say “Siggy was better, therefore you are stupid and your opinions bear no credence”? IMO Brian Staniewicz was the best ever at BG.
We all care about the program , the players and the coaches. For the long range health of our program, we may wish to consider their opinions. I pray that they are not correct. I know may players, alumni and parents that think that we should consider their opinions. If what they say is correct, I pray that conditions change; for the sake of our program, our coaches, and our guys.
"A man hears what he wants to hear, and he disregards the rest."
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:26 pm
by bgbill
I'm willing to read reasons why a coach should be fired, but the reasons should go beyond "nobody likes them", and "they're retards".
After several years of good/great goaltending and no offense, '05-'06 brought great scoring but the guys in net had too many tough outings. A little bit better defense, and we wouldn't be having these discussions.
As for Messaros, I thought he left to further his education.
I, too, am somewhat distressed to think that some of the recent screeds were written by student athletes, but I'm not convinced that they are. I'm probably wrong, but I think I hear the faint beatings of rotors.
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:54 pm
by Rightupinthere
Puckhead wrote:
The second group that I find interesting are the Kool Aid drinking faithful. These people will find a preceived flaw in an argument and therefore disregard the whole tone of the argument.
I'm not convinced they skated. I agree with bgbill that name calling is not a reasoned argument. I have yet to read any of them give specific examples to why the BG program is doomed with the current coaching situation.
Throwing out innuendo, claiming you have credibility, then attacking anyone who counters you isn't respectful dialog - it's pathological.
I called for Brandon's head this past season. I didn't like his coaching decision and cited examples of these decisions. I included coach Stud and his playcalling as well. What started was a lively discussion in which my stance changed because of one Mssr 87. Similar discussions have not taken place in the hockey board.
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:10 am
by Freddie
Not wishing to add fuel to the fire, I've avoided the temptation to add my $.02 worth to this thread...but I suppose my entry was inevitable.
Assistant coaches are always on the move. They move up, move on, or move out. It's the very nature of being an assistant. To read anything more in to these 'recent' departures is just silly. A review of the roster of present NCAA D1 assistants will show that the 'average' stay at one position is less than three years.
I don't know who "freddiethefalconBG" or "shanefalco" are, nor do I care. They (and some others) have made statements that would lead readers to the conclusion that they are/were very close to the program; possibly even players. I'm not, however, inclined to dismiss their opinions simply because their identities are unknown...a certain degree of anonymity is afforded on any web board.
Their credibility drops a couple of notches (IMO) because of poor spelling, bad sentence structure and lack of punctuation or capitalization. Given the fact that the present generation has grown up with keyboards and text messages, I can live with the liberties taken against the rules of our language. I can't help but wonder, however, how someone can claim to have been so close to the program, yet can't manage to spell the name of the coach. If I'd spent the last four years developing a festering hatred for someone who was in a position to ruin my career and rob me of my birthright, I think I'd know what his freaking name was.
Even in view of these shortcomings, I'd still be willing to hear what they have to say...IF THEY WOULD ACTUALLY SAY ANYTHING! All we have seen are vague and immature rantings like: "they're retards", "everybody hates them" and "they make bad decisions".
I will admit to taking an occasional sip from the proverbial glass of kool aid (Orange, of course); but I'm not blind. Something was definately wrong last year. Let's quit obsessing about it, and move forward. What is it, twelve, thirteen or fourteen incoming freshmen this year? It's going to be entertaining, that's for certain. DROP THE PUCK!
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:42 am
by Falcon Fanatic
Freddie wrote:Not wishing to add fuel to the fire, I've avoided the temptation to add my $.02 worth to this thread...but I suppose my entry was inevitable.
Assistant coaches are always on the move. They move up, move on, or move out. It's the very nature of being an assistant. To read anything more in to these 'recent' departures is just silly. A review of the roster of present NCAA D1 assistants will show that the 'average' stay at one position is less than three years.
I don't know who "freddiethefalconBG" or "shanefalco" are, nor do I care. They (and some others) have made statements that would lead readers to the conclusion that they are/were very close to the program; possibly even players. I'm not, however, inclined to dismiss their opinions simply because their identities are unknown...a certain degree of anonymity is afforded on any web board.
Their credibility drops a couple of notches (IMO) because of poor spelling, bad sentence structure and lack of punctuation or capitalization. Given the fact that the present generation has grown up with keyboards and text messages, I can live with the liberties taken against the rules of our language. I can't help but wonder, however, how someone can claim to have been so close to the program, yet can't manage to spell the name of the coach. If I'd spent the last four years developing a festering hatred for someone who was in a position to ruin my career and rob me of my birthright, I think I'd know what his freaking name was.
Even in view of these shortcomings, I'd still be willing to hear what they have to say...IF THEY WOULD ACTUALLY SAY ANYTHING! All we have seen are vague and immature rantings like: "they're retards", "everybody hates them" and "they make bad decisions".
I will admit to taking an occasional sip from the proverbial glass of kool aid (Orange, of course); but I'm not blind. Something was definately wrong last year. Let's quit obsessing about it, and move forward. What is it, twelve, thirteen or fourteen incoming freshmen this year? It's going to be entertaining, that's for certain. DROP THE PUCK!
Very well stated Freddie!! I also agree that assistant coaches come and go. KP made it well known from the get-to that his plan was to work for his own head coaching job. Wisconsin was an offer anyone would have been nuts to turn down.
DROP THE PUCK!!!