Same old song and dance

dannyk · Post by **dannyk** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:06 am

The 12-1 win is comical to base any kind of prediction on. Why wouldnt we just scrimmage our own club team, beat them 11-2 and then proclaim ourseleves as the front runner in the CCHA.

Guys this is not that good of a team, we have been hearing the same thing every year now for 5 years.

If we were in the WCHA I wouldnt be suprised if we won maybe a game or two all year, but the bottom half of the CCHA drops off considerably from the top, getting a few wins here and there against Ferris, and WMU always keeps a couple of us optimistic for some reason. Just like when Ferris St. beats us they think they might be turing the corner.

The only corner we are turing is a U-turn back to the basement

Falconboy · Post by **Falconboy** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:16 am

Well my friend , in a couple of games here we'll all find out soon enough whether we have the horses to do anything in the CCHA or not. Yeah, that 12-1 win wasn't really much to be all excited about. The team is terribly young though, but Pooch may not have much more time to flesh them out if he can't get something serious going here soon. As a former BG guy I'm really pulling for him succeed here.

BG Puckster · Post by **BG Puckster** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:23 am

No, it's not the wins against Ferris St. or WMU that gives us that feeling. It's beating Michigan and Michigan St. that gives us that feeling, only to then turn around and lose to Ferris St. and WMU. This team can get it done, they just need to find the consistency each game regardless of the opponent. That's the frustrating part to me. Tonight they outshoot Niagra handily but don't score. When/if they finally understand what it takes to win, and do it on a consistent basis, then I think they can make a move up in the standings.

jgeyer · Post by **jgeyer** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:05 am

Hi Guys, It's just the same thing year after year with Paluch, only get up for the OSU, Mi. and Mi. State games. I.ve been saying fire the head coach for years now.(He should have never had an extension a couple years back).He does not change his systems. Same old thing, easy for the other teams to play against. Pooch needs to resign before we lose our hockey program. It's not the building and it's not the players, it's the head coach. 55 wins 111 losses and 22 ties. And he's still here? Something is wrong. Thanks, Jerry

jpfalcon09 · Post by **jpfalcon09** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:17 am

SOG are the most overrated stats in hockey. It all hinges on quality chances. If BG only had 3-4 chances on 32 shots, then obviously most of those shots are low percentage. Phoenix had 41 shots tonight against Edmonton and lost 4-2, while the Oilers only had 17. Until the hockey team can maximize their chances and generate more, things like this will happen.

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:58 am

any shot is a chance and yea sure the SOG never gives your real stats of the high percentage shots, but we are outshooting what we have been doing and if we keep shooting and not just shoting when we have a quality shot like we had been we will tally up some good numbers. You can not discount that windsor win to heavily, it was a win with lots of positives, even this loss has lots of positives, like Sprats off season improvements and how our overall status at the position at goaltender is GREATLY improved, indvidually and wholisticly. Ill bet if Unice had been there he would not have faired any better. Our forwards are attacking this year better than they did at the end of the season lastyear our D is improved as well, our coaches have are working a different aproach and with it we are 1-1 lets see where are in four more games.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:51 am

MACMAN wrote: we are 1-1

Correction - We are 0-1.

McConvey · Post by **McConvey** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:22 am

jpfalcon09 wrote:SOG are the most overrated stats in hockey.

I'd disagree with this. My vote goes to +/-

jpfalcon09 · Post by **jpfalcon09** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:29 pm

McConvey wrote:
jpfalcon09 wrote:SOG are the most overrated stats in hockey.
I'd disagree with this. My vote goes to +/-

+/- is a good stat to have. I understand sometimes it can be skewed if goals are scored just after a PP expires or if a player is a caught on a line change, but overall it is indicative of how well you and your linemates play at even strength. SOG are overrated. I understand that anything thrown towards the net has a chance to go in, but in the grand scheme of things if a team has 45 total shots and 90% of those occur from the top of the circles to the blue line, chances are that you're not going to score. For this reason, I hate it in hockey when someone says a goalie was amazing when he stopped 40 of 42 shots, but likely wasn't tested much in those shots.

It's all relative, and I understand your point, but as a coach of the club team, we see way too many poor shot selections, and it happens at every level. Check out a Red Wings box score against a lesser opponent, see they have 40+ shots and only 2-3 goals, because 35 of those shots were from the perimeter.

When I look at stat sheets, I look for scoring chances and that's it. More often than not, those with more scoring chances end up winning games, not with more shots on goal.

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:41 pm

I highly disagree with your perspective of shots from the top of the slot. As long as the forwards are up in front of the net screening and tipping those are very good opportunities, while conversely when you have skater in a 2 on 1 who rips one from the top...that is not a high percentage shot...but still a good opportunity, but he had better alternatives. in the end each shot is a good opurtunity...the best shots find the back of the net...and some of the worst shots are game winners. Point being if your not throwing it at the net, your not having opurtunities, and not having them or waiting that perfect backdoor, will loose you the game faster than than you can say goal.

jpfalcon09 · Post by **jpfalcon09** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:01 pm

And my point being that SOG lie to you and can be twisted any way you want them to go. A shot with a screen or tip = scoring chance, plain and simple.

bigdog · Post by **bigdog** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:22 pm

First off this is paining me to say that for this debate I agree with Macman.(See when you actually know what you are talking about that one time a year, I'll give you a shout out) Shots on goal is a very important stat as it indicates the flow of the game. Yes for all you out there that think you are smart and want to put your hockey 2 cents in, you will probably mention that you can get outshot and win.
Yes, true, but coming from a former player, any difference over 5 shots is very evident who controlled the play. Maybe as a viewer you may not notice the shot difference but as a player you can definately feel the difference. Because with shots comes the play in the offensive zone, scoring opportunities, and puck possession. If you are getting outshot as a player you can definately feel the difference and momentim shift with the amount of shots taken or given.
This is where my similarity of opinion stops with Macman.
You can not base anything on the Windsor game, the writer who posted "you might as well play the club team" couldn't have hit the nail on the head harder. Windsor sucks bottom line. Also the person who claimed that their 1-1 needs help.
Check the standings, I am pretty sure it says 0-1.
Food for thought:
Weird the team is having the same issues as last year, goal scoring!! I thought there was to be changes made to the approach of the game, systems and various recruits brought in to aid this problem. AND NOTHING. NICE OFF SEASON POOCH!!!

ShaneFalco · Post by **ShaneFalco** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:45 pm

McConvey wrote:
jpfalcon09 wrote:SOG are the most overrated stats in hockey.
I'd disagree with this. My vote goes to +/-

Plus/Minus is a very important and revealing stat. I think it speaks for itself in showing a players ability to play solid hockey at both ends of the rink. If the leading scorer on a team is minus 10... then they are a liability in the defensive zone. Scoring goals is obviously the objective, but if you let up more goals then you are scoring when on the ice, it's a problem.

SOG - you can't score goals unless you put the puck on net. A large percentage of the goals scored in college hockey are on rebounds, tips, and general garbage around the net. Any shot on net has a chance to eventually find the back of the net.

Rightupinthere · Post by **Rightupinthere** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:02 pm

November 1, 2007.

A reasoned discussion on the hockey board with a good cross section of members.

It's not a tear. I think I have something in my eye.

pdt1081 · Post by **pdt1081** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:20 pm

jpfalcon09 wrote:And my point being that SOG lie to you and can be twisted any way you want them to go. A shot with a screen or tip = scoring chance, plain and simple.

Not saying one is more important than the other, but I've seen SOG exaggerated many times. Most times, in the home team's favor. Scrambles in front of the net really mess with shot totals.