State Funding for Ice Arena possible...

BGFan · Post by **BGFan** » Tue May 12, 2009 11:27 am

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:17 pm

LOTS of Good news now and coming in over the next few weeks!
This is just the start of the RETURN of FALCON HOCKEY DOMINANCE.

pdt1081 · Post by **pdt1081** » Tue May 12, 2009 9:20 pm

Great news! Back when the rumor came to national attention there was a poster on USCHO that said hockey wouldn't be eliminated and BG would come back stronger than ever. This is a big step towards him being right.

sbkbghockey · Post by **sbkbghockey** » Tue May 12, 2009 10:53 pm

YES, I hoped this would happen!!! This is a nice boost for the ice arena and hockey program!!

Freddie · Post by **Freddie** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:46 am

Anybody else see the irony in this?

A reduction in STATE funding sets off this crisis, now potential new STATE funding becomes part of the solution.

Oh well...keep the faith friends. BG Hockey will be back, better and stronger than ever.

BGFan · Post by **BGFan** » Wed May 13, 2009 8:49 am

Freddie wrote:Anybody else see the irony in this?

A reduction is STATE funding set off this crisis, now potential new STATE funding becomes part of the solution.

Oh well...keep the faith friends. BG Hockey will be back, better and stronger than ever.

Yep....they're basically trying a different tactic by stating that one of the primary purposes of the building is public use, therefore funding can come from a different source. Whatever..... As long as they can secure some of that money for whatever reason, I'm happy. The amount doesn't really come close to covering everything that needs done but it will definitely help.

FalconTurf · Post by **FalconTurf** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:48 pm

Freddie wrote:Anybody else see the irony in this?

A reduction in STATE funding sets off this crisis, now potential new STATE funding becomes part of the solution.

Oh well...keep the faith friends. BG Hockey will be back, better and stronger than ever.

No problem is too small for the government to make bigger.

Don't count on this funding being anymore than a mess-maker.

bgpuckster · Post by **bgpuckster** » Wed May 13, 2009 9:16 pm

Why do you think it will be a mess maker? Having the rink close would be less of a mess? BGSU gets a lot of state funds for a lot of things. Is state money going to be a mess maker for the Wolfe Arts Center too?

dstubb · Post by **dstubb** » Wed May 13, 2009 9:53 pm

FalconTurf wrote:
Freddie wrote:Anybody else see the irony in this?

A reduction in STATE funding sets off this crisis, now potential new STATE funding becomes part of the solution.

Oh well...keep the faith friends. BG Hockey will be back, better and stronger than ever.
No problem is too small for the government to make bigger.

Don't count on this funding being anymore than a mess-maker.

Last I checked it was Bowling Green STATE University.

FalconTurf · Post by **FalconTurf** » Thu May 14, 2009 5:04 pm

dstubb wrote:
FalconTurf wrote:
Freddie wrote:Anybody else see the irony in this?

A reduction in STATE funding sets off this crisis, now potential new STATE funding becomes part of the solution.

Oh well...keep the faith friends. BG Hockey will be back, better and stronger than ever.
No problem is too small for the government to make bigger.

Don't count on this funding being anymore than a mess-maker.
Last I checked it was Bowling Green STATE University.

And this will add another layer of STATE to the mess. The problems here will be solved by the donors, private donors not by the various STATE entities with all their strings.

It's the Journey... · Post by **It's the Journey...** » Thu May 14, 2009 5:15 pm

Let me clarify this. You are advocating for the University to TURN DOWN any money the state may offer for maintenance of the Ice Arena??

FalconTurf · Post by **FalconTurf** » Thu May 14, 2009 9:57 pm

Take the money IF it comes through depending upon the strings attached.

The original patch project planned by the University was budgeted at $4 million before the plug was pulled and MAY be replaced by the state representatives with $1.5 million if I understand correctly. And the joy I should feel is over $4 mill. in STATE funding being replaced with $1.5 mill. in STATE funding?

Additionally I suspect this layer of government will attach more strings to OUR tax money for use on this project which may result in this new funding being a wash or worse depending on what legislature expectations come with the money such as unfunded guarantees on use and operations controlling committees.

Ultimately I believe Mr. Vivian and his committee will determine $4 million or even the new grand figure of $1.5 million to be far from the price tag necessary to bring the facility to an acceptable level of operation. And the longer we wait more damage occur to the structure.

I need more evidence to believe this new source of money is anything more than an attempt to endear legislators to voters and seize more control of operations. The need for private funding is just as great if not greater than before (depending on the strings attached).

Bleeding Orange · Post by **Bleeding Orange** » Thu May 14, 2009 11:39 pm

FalconTurf wrote:Take the money IF it comes through depending upon the strings attached.

The original patch project planned by the University was budgeted at $4 million before the plug was pulled and MAY be replaced by the state representatives with $1.5 million if I understand correctly. And the joy I should feel is over $4 mill. in STATE funding being replaced with $1.5 mill. in STATE funding?

Additionally I suspect this layer of government will attach more strings to OUR tax money for use on this project which may result in this new funding being a wash or worse depending on what legislature expectations come with the money such as unfunded guarantees on use and operations controlling committees.

Ultimately I believe Mr. Vivian and his committee will determine $4 million or even the new grand figure of $1.5 million to be far from the price tag necessary to bring the facility to an acceptable level of operation. And the longer we wait more damage occur to the structure.

I need more evidence to believe this new source of money is anything more than an attempt to endear legislators to voters and seize more control of operations. The need for private funding is just as great if not greater than before (depending on the strings attached).

I beg your pardon if I am misinterpreting your assertions, but I have to say that state funds and private funds are not mutually exclusive. Were the university to accept the state money, there are no 'string' that would ever prohibit private fund raising to supplement any renovation project.

Rep. Garnder stated that he wants the Ice Arena to remain open for public use. I haven't seen anything that would indicate that any state dollars would be granted on the basis of, say, X hours of public ice time at Y price, as you seem to fear. State dollars to state institutions simply don't come with these strings, especially when a local legislator with knowledge of the facility's operations is leading the charge. It isn't as though BGSU is a company like Kokosing asking for bailout money from the state.

Edit: I forgot to add that I believe the original $4 million sum was intended to be a combination of private dollars and AD funds. There was never any special facilities allocation from the state that was in play in that situation, so the notion that the university would be trading $4 million for $1.5 million is beyond absurd, to the point of insanity.

KeyWestParrot · Post by **KeyWestParrot** » Fri May 15, 2009 12:22 am

At this point I think BG should take anything they can get from any source.

Falcon Fanatic · Post by **Falcon Fanatic** » Fri May 15, 2009 7:23 am

Bleeding Orange wrote:Edit: I forgot to add that I believe the original $4 million sum was intended to be a combination of private dollars and AD funds. There was never any special facilities allocation from the state that was in play in that situation, so the notion that the university would be trading $4 million for $1.5 million is beyond absurd, to the point of insanity.

I thought that the first $4 mil was coming from the U and the additional $4 mil was from private donations (former players and fans). Anyone else remember it this way? That original information feels like I heard it YEARS ago compared to the roller coaster ride we've been on since the middle of March!!!

I hope it ends soon...on a VERY happy note!! Jack Vivian's committee is supposed to have it's proposals soon!!! If anyone can save BG Hockey and the Ice Arena...IT'S HIM!!!