1/22 Western

['92Falcon]

This game was lost at the line, well before Porter blew up at the end. 3-10 shooting at the freebie line is ridiculous. I don't know how many first shots on a 1 and 1 were missed so it may have been even more points wasted. Such a frustrating game to watch.

[mbenecke]

It's baffling that this is the same team that beat multiple Big East teams and an SEC team. Hard to believe.

[Falconfreak90]

She was called for a foul under the basket initially. The other player fell on top of her and she moved her legs to get her off of her and then was screaming and moving towards the other player but was intercepted by the ref.

Thanks for the clarification on what happened. You simply cannot lose control like that.

WMU isn't a bad team. Now 4-2 in MAC play but def a game we should not have lost.

I'm not feeling good about Saturday.

[bghkyfan74]

Why so worried about next year, how about not using the portal the last two years to surround Fleming and Velasco to win now?

I've heard from a pretty reliable source that he tried to use the portal and had a couple of P5 transfers willing to commit for a relatively small NIL amount and we couldn't come up with the dollars so they went elsewhere.

Nobody P5. The Horizon League Freshman of the Year Carter McCray visited before deciding to go to Wisconsin. That is the only transfer portal recruit they hosted. Nobody on the team is getting NIL cash. Fleming and Velasco have a deal with a local meat shop where they get free product. Some of the players also have merchandise where they get a small percentage of the money that people pay.

The thing that sticks out is that each player on scholarship gets a $10K stipend for rent, groceries/food, other living expenses for the year ($5K per semester). People choose other schools because of higher stipends. Hampton chose Ball State because the stipend was $30K per year. Gives you an idea of where BG stands in the conference with payment to players.

[bghkyfan74]

Based on what I've heard on how practices go after losses, I bet Chmiel will run their legs into the ground over the next two days so that they are running in quick sand on Saturday. There is no constructive criticism and always the players fault. So the punishment is to make them hurt when there is two days of rest in between conference games.
I have talked to multiple Division 1 mid-major athletic directors who say they would never hire a P5 assistant as a head coach because it's not the same game. Relationships matter, development matters, and patience matters. Fralick's Michigan State team has no business being how good they are, but she builds relationships with the players and coaches to get the most out of them.

[threestooges]

This game was lost at the line, well before Porter blew up at the end. 3-10 shooting at the freebie line is ridiculous. I don't know how many first shots on a 1 and 1 were missed so it may have been even more points wasted. Such a frustrating game to watch.

There is no 1-and-1 in women's basketball. They did away with it a few years ago. Once a team gets to five fouls in a quarter, everything is a 2-shot foul.

That having been said, 3-for-10 at the line is indeed brutal. And amazingly, WMU missed their last 5 free throw attempts last night.

[footballguy51]

Why so worried about next year, how about not using the portal the last two years to surround Fleming and Velasco to win now?

I've heard from a pretty reliable source that he tried to use the portal and had a couple of P5 transfers willing to commit for a relatively small NIL amount and we couldn't come up with the dollars so they went elsewhere.

Nobody P5. The Horizon League Freshman of the Year Carter McCray visited before deciding to go to Wisconsin. That is the only transfer portal recruit they hosted. Nobody on the team is getting NIL cash. Fleming and Velasco have a deal with a local meat shop where they get free product. Some of the players also have merchandise where they get a small percentage of the money that people pay.

The thing that sticks out is that each player on scholarship gets a $10K stipend for rent, groceries/food, other living expenses for the year ($5K per semester). People choose other schools because of higher stipends. Hampton chose Ball State because the stipend was $30K per year. Gives you an idea of where BG stands in the conference with payment to players.

Just a friendly reminder that the 50/50 currently benefits the Ziggy Collective and Bowling Green Youth Baseball, at BGSU athletics events. All proceeds that go to the Ziggy Collective will be allocated for NIL opportunities for BGSU female student-athletes.

[bghkyfan74]

Why so worried about next year, how about not using the portal the last two years to surround Fleming and Velasco to win now?

I've heard from a pretty reliable source that he tried to use the portal and had a couple of P5 transfers willing to commit for a relatively small NIL amount and we couldn't come up with the dollars so they went elsewhere.

Nobody P5. The Horizon League Freshman of the Year Carter McCray visited before deciding to go to Wisconsin. That is the only transfer portal recruit they hosted. Nobody on the team is getting NIL cash. Fleming and Velasco have a deal with a local meat shop where they get free product. Some of the players also have merchandise where they get a small percentage of the money that people pay.

The thing that sticks out is that each player on scholarship gets a $10K stipend for rent, groceries/food, other living expenses for the year ($5K per semester). People choose other schools because of higher stipends. Hampton chose Ball State because the stipend was $30K per year. Gives you an idea of where BG stands in the conference with payment to players.

Just a friendly reminder that the 50/50 currently benefits the Ziggy Collective and Bowling Green Youth Baseball, at BGSU athletics events. All proceeds that go to the Ziggy Collective will be allocated for NIL opportunities for BGSU female student-athletes.

Correct and I think it’s done a pretty great job. I’m not sure how much total money has been collected but will it be equally allocated to the female student-athletes? If so, that’s 200+ female student-athletes that will share the pot of probably $12-18K?

On the other hand, I know the Collective has partnered with certain local entities for opportunities such as yard work and hanging out with people with disabilities at WLRS. Are these the opportunities that they will have to earn that money from the 50/50?

[mbenecke]

It's nice to have SOMETHING, but my impression is that it's basically nothing compared to most schools.

I'm really curious to see how this revenue sharing model will go. I think it's going to have a massive impact on BG athletics. There's almost no way we can afford the $20M a year paid to athletes, right? We don't have that kind of cash. So we'll have to pay less, and that will make it harder to recruit vs. the schools that WILL pay more. And the fact that this could start as soon as this next year is a huge challenge for us.

[bghkyfan74]

It's nice to have SOMETHING, but my impression is that it's basically nothing compared to most schools.

I'm really curious to see how this revenue sharing model will go. I think it's going to have a massive impact on BG athletics. There's almost no way we can afford the $20M a year paid to athletes, right? We don't have that kind of cash. So we'll have to pay less, and that will make it harder to recruit vs. the schools that WILL pay more. And the fact that this could start as soon as this next year is a huge challenge for us.

I think Cal and his crew do a phenomenal job and put a lot of time into the Collective. However, it is an uphill battle for many MAC schools and especially BG. Most of the people with money are older townies who may not agree with the principles/concept of NIL. Additionally, we don’t have anyone just pouring in money specifically for NIL. Facility upgrades, team-centric funding (meals and chartered flights), and new uniforms/gear are what most people give to. People give to the enhancement fund and they might give generously, significant NIL is just not feasible at BGSU.

[mbenecke]

It's nice to have SOMETHING, but my impression is that it's basically nothing compared to most schools.

I'm really curious to see how this revenue sharing model will go. I think it's going to have a massive impact on BG athletics. There's almost no way we can afford the $20M a year paid to athletes, right? We don't have that kind of cash. So we'll have to pay less, and that will make it harder to recruit vs. the schools that WILL pay more. And the fact that this could start as soon as this next year is a huge challenge for us.

I think Cal and his crew do a phenomenal job and put a lot of time into the Collective. However, it is an uphill battle for many MAC schools and especially BG. Most of the people with money are older townies who may not agree with the principles/concept of NIL. Additionally, we don’t have anyone just pouring in money specifically for NIL. Facility upgrades, team-centric funding (meals and chartered flights), and new uniforms/gear are what most people give to. People give to the enhancement fund and they might give generously, significant NIL is just not feasible at BGSU.

I'm with you on this. It's just not realistic at a place like this.

[BillyLP]

It's nice to have SOMETHING, but my impression is that it's basically nothing compared to most schools.

I'm really curious to see how this revenue sharing model will go. I think it's going to have a massive impact on BG athletics. There's almost no way we can afford the $20M a year paid to athletes, right? We don't have that kind of cash. So we'll have to pay less, and that will make it harder to recruit vs. the schools that WILL pay more. And the fact that this could start as soon as this next year is a huge challenge for us.

I think Cal and his crew do a phenomenal job and put a lot of time into the Collective. However, it is an uphill battle for many MAC schools and especially BG. Most of the people with money are older townies who may not agree with the principles/concept of NIL. Additionally, we don’t have anyone just pouring in money specifically for NIL. Facility upgrades, team-centric funding (meals and chartered flights), and new uniforms/gear are what most people give to. People give to the enhancement fund and they might give generously, significant NIL is just not feasible at BGSU.

Agreed that Cal is doing a good job with the resources they have, but it's not as professionally run as even a lot of our peers. I actually have found it pretty surprising the lack of big contributors to NIL that BG has been able to find. I've heard that some of the "bottom tier" MAC schools even have people that have committed six-figures per year to their collectives. To be highly competitive across the board, I'd guess we need about $5 million a year in the collective. Ideally, it would be a lot more, with a split looking like $3mm to football, $1.2mm to men's basketball, $600k to women's basketball, and the rest among the other sports (I'm not sure about hockey, because the athletics programs I've worked with haven't been hockey schools).

[bghkyfan74]

It's nice to have SOMETHING, but my impression is that it's basically nothing compared to most schools.

I'm really curious to see how this revenue sharing model will go. I think it's going to have a massive impact on BG athletics. There's almost no way we can afford the $20M a year paid to athletes, right? We don't have that kind of cash. So we'll have to pay less, and that will make it harder to recruit vs. the schools that WILL pay more. And the fact that this could start as soon as this next year is a huge challenge for us.

I think Cal and his crew do a phenomenal job and put a lot of time into the Collective. However, it is an uphill battle for many MAC schools and especially BG. Most of the people with money are older townies who may not agree with the principles/concept of NIL. Additionally, we don’t have anyone just pouring in money specifically for NIL. Facility upgrades, team-centric funding (meals and chartered flights), and new uniforms/gear are what most people give to. People give to the enhancement fund and they might give generously, significant NIL is just not feasible at BGSU.

Agreed that Cal is doing a good job with the resources they have, but it's not as professionally run as even a lot of our peers. I actually have found it pretty surprising the lack of big contributors to NIL that BG has been able to find. I've heard that some of the "bottom tier" MAC schools even have people that have committed six-figures per year to their collectives. To be highly competitive across the board, I'd guess we need about $5 million a year in the collective. Ideally, it would be a lot more, with a split looking like $3mm to football, $1.2mm to men's basketball, $600k to women's basketball, and the rest among the other sports (I'm not sure about hockey, because the athletics programs I've worked with haven't been hockey schools).

The big contributors have made some pretty big investments over the past few years. The updates to the Ice Arena were funded by a lot of the big hockey contributors. The big baseball contributors are currently being asked for money for the turf field, lighting system, etc. People have lost interest in the football and men's basketball programs over the past 5-6 years and aren't as willing to dig in their pockets. Just an unfortunate time of everything.

[guest44]

It's nice to have SOMETHING, but my impression is that it's basically nothing compared to most schools.

I'm really curious to see how this revenue sharing model will go. I think it's going to have a massive impact on BG athletics. There's almost no way we can afford the $20M a year paid to athletes, right? We don't have that kind of cash. So we'll have to pay less, and that will make it harder to recruit vs. the schools that WILL pay more. And the fact that this could start as soon as this next year is a huge challenge for us.

I think Cal and his crew do a phenomenal job and put a lot of time into the Collective. However, it is an uphill battle for many MAC schools and especially BG. Most of the people with money are older townies who may not agree with the principles/concept of NIL. Additionally, we don’t have anyone just pouring in money specifically for NIL. Facility upgrades, team-centric funding (meals and chartered flights), and new uniforms/gear are what most people give to. People give to the enhancement fund and they might give generously, significant NIL is just not feasible at BGSU.

Agreed that Cal is doing a good job with the resources they have, but it's not as professionally run as even a lot of our peers. I actually have found it pretty surprising the lack of big contributors to NIL that BG has been able to find. I've heard that some of the "bottom tier" MAC schools even have people that have committed six-figures per year to their collectives. To be highly competitive across the board, I'd guess we need about $5 million a year in the collective. Ideally, it would be a lot more, with a split looking like $3mm to football, $1.2mm to men's basketball, $600k to women's basketball, and the rest among the other sports (I'm not sure about hockey, because the athletics programs I've worked with haven't been hockey schools).

They want NIL but they want control more. They want NIL but they want a cut more.