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[Class of 61]

I saw Ashland play twice on TV. Very disciplined group, good ball movement, not super big, but all of them seemed to be good shooters.

[fredthefalcon]

Re: the young lady from O-G. ... my only concern is that the last batches of players have come from smaller school programs. That unto itself isn't bad EXCEPT for chances is these kids haven't played vs the quality opponents that kids from larger programs faced.
I don't know the level of play, for example, the Illinois kids ( current fresh) faced. But none of them have shown all that much IMO. I've only seen them in person once as I'd indicated some time back, but HAVE watched on ESPN3 for nearly all games shown.
We currently have several 5'9-5'10 players and Santoro seems to be only consistent rebounder of that group. When you look at CMU, Buffalo etc, you see some bigs who are athletic and I just don't see that with current BG kids.

I complained last year that we were recruiting too many of the same type players from smaller schools. Very few if any from large urban areas that face stiff compensation game after game. In my opinion our bigs are pretty soft. Perry has the size and bulk to play but I'm not so sure of what game shape she was in after early injury.

[HoopsFan]

Ya know, it tends to show. Bellevue, a d2 high school was #2 in the state, yet Rogers, ranked #6 and a d2 school has beaten Bellevue 6 or so times. Their kids are bigger and quicker and probably face stiffer competition in Toledo that Bellevue does in the SBC Lake division. Abby Siefker was another big kid in a small school and it didn't translate into big player for D1 college.

I guess the difference is under Miller's teams, he recruited DEFENDERS first. Goldsberry, Prochaska, Pontius, all could play defense. The gem was Prochaska could also shoot the eyes out of the basket and she had the ability, both in HS and college to make free throws. It appears they don't stress defense in HS, so it seems to be the coach has to find that special player who can do it at the D1 college level.

Anyway, time will tell what happens to the current players and recruits. Maybe the new coach will want to wipe the slate clean or have their own players in mind.

HoopsFan

[elmrfudd]

Fralick and her Ashland team are 34-0 and in the Elite 8. They have won 71 straight games and as I mentioned was 1 of 3 teams in the Nation that scored over 55 points against UConn and also put up 80 against Ohio State, along with 18 games over 100 pts. And Elmer I think you are wrong. Transferring from D2 to D1 I believe you still need to sit out a year. Going from D1 to D2 you don't but from D2 to D1 I believe you do. Ashland is D2 not JUCO.

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I have never seen Hempfling play, but keep in mind that the quality of a prospective college recruit greatly depends on the quality of the coaching they received in high school. Fundamentals, discipline, a highly competitive spirit, and a high basketball IQ are important things to look at when recruiting. I found the NCAA transfer rules, and included a segment above. I wonder what BGSU would need to do to lure Robyn Fralick away from Ashland into our midst, and what kind of “outs” she has included in her contract extension. I really believe our current corps of players can be coached to get better, and can be coached on how to win. I believe that if she were hired, we would see a drastic improvement in our play right away, although to miraculously go from the cellar to the top in a single season would be a stretch. I’m tired of waiting already........HURRY UP AND HIRE THE LADY!

[gmartin]

Ashland is in the Elite 8 beginning Monday. Read my other thread I posted today. And if I read that correctly it says if you are transferring in any sport EXCEPT basketball which means any player must sit out a year. Correct? Track n Field, Golf, Tennis, Swimming your ok but baseball, football and basketball you must sit 1 year.

[Class of 61]

This has nothing to do w women’s basketball, but Joseph Davidson, BG’s punter for past 3 yrs. , came from Findlay , IIRC, and did NOT sit out a yr ( to my knowledge). What Div is Findlay. Or is it NOT an NCAA school which might make for a different set of rules.?

[fredthefalcon]

This has nothing to do w women’s basketball, but Joseph Davidson, BG’s punter for past 3 yrs. , came from Findlay , IIRC, and did NOT sit out a yr ( to my knowledge). What Div is Findlay. Or is it NOT an NCAA school which might make for a different set of rules.?

61, I'm pretty sure that Davidson never went to Findlay U. He is a graduate of Findlay HS but his BG bio shows he redshirted FR year here and then played 4 straight years thereafter.

[FalconTurf]

Ya know, it tends to show. Bellevue, a d2 high school was #2 in the state, yet Rogers, ranked #6 and a d2 school has beaten Bellevue 6 or so times. Their kids are bigger and quicker and probably face stiffer competition in Toledo that Bellevue does in the SBC Lake division. Abby Siefker was another big kid in a small school and it didn't translate into big player for D1 college.

I hate the small school prejudice, which is held by many coaches and officials as well as fans. The reality is Bellevue does play a different style based upon personnel but has been a difficult opponent for Rodgers in particular this year (if you look at the story of the game that led to the final score). The end result has less to do with the star player(s) and more to do with the depth of the team. The little hick star players from the small schools are playing with and against the elite urban players in AAU every summer for far more than the 30 games that encompass a complete HS season with a run to the championship game. The reality at BG is the lack of diversity of skill sets among players and their development as players, not the geography of their upbringing.

[Schadenfreude]

What Div is Findlay. Or is it NOT an NCAA school which might make for a different set of rules.?

Findlay is Division II. They play in the Great Midwest Athletic Conference.