Rankings?

rollalong94 · Post by **rollalong94** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:20 am

They received 1 vote in this week's AP poll...

Still a slap in the face of a 14-2 team. No respect!

factman · Post by **factman** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:56 am

Here is the ESPN/Coaches Poll and a list of who is voting. Notice Deleware is not getting any votes and Kentucky is getting only 5 votes, and they both beat us.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/rankings

PGY Tiercel · Post by **PGY Tiercel** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:25 am

factman wrote:Here is the ESPN/Coaches Poll and a list of who is voting. Notice Deleware is not getting any votes and Kentucky is getting only 5 votes, and they both beat us.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/rankings

UK will likely recieve fewer votes if any this week after suffering a big loss to Auburn at home. They also play Tennessee this week so they could keep falling for a bit as well.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:31 am

PGY Tiercel wrote:
factman wrote:Here is the ESPN/Coaches Poll and a list of who is voting. Notice Deleware is not getting any votes and Kentucky is getting only 5 votes, and they both beat us.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/rankings
UK will likely recieve fewer votes if any this week after suffering a big loss to Auburn at home. They also play Tennessee this week so they could keep falling for a bit as well.

Tennessee is gonna be pissed.

I think, from my limited following of WCB, that the sport is dominated much more by the "bigger" schools than MCB is. In MCB, there are all kinds of mid-major (grr I hate using that term) teams that get a lot of national respect. There are also a lot more upsets come tournament time on the Men's side of things from smaller schools. KSU to the elite 8, Gonzaga becoming a power, Bucknell, Manhattan, and countless other Cinderella stories.

I think these things all kind of contribute to the almost non-existence of a "small school" presence on the national scale in WCB. I don't think it's so much BG being disrespected as it is almost all smaller name schools being overlooked.

I'm going off of educated guesses here, so if anybody who is a bigger follower of WCB over the past 10-20 years knows better, have at it.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:01 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/rankings

BG tied for 36th in the coaches poll with UK with 6 votes. That's quite a jump to go from no votes to 6 votes in one week.

Time to lay the smack down on the CMU Fighting Skufcas.

jacojdm · Post by **jacojdm** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:15 pm

Jacobs4Heisman wrote:http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/rankings

BG tied for 36th in the coaches poll with UK with 6 votes. That's quite a jump to go from no votes to 6 votes in one week.

Time to lay the smack down on the CMU Fighting Skufcas.

no joke. cmu is bested in the "bad" department by only akron. we should have our way with this team.

something funny from the chips' website:
"CMU boasted a 10-18 overall record...." not much to boast about there.

HoustonFalcon · Post by **HoustonFalcon** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:55 pm

Since I coach on the womens side in the JUCO ranks, I think that I can shed some light on the situation. Womens college basketball has just come into the college mainstream in the last ten years or so. The big time schools have had so much more to offer than the lower budget schools. When a kid is on a recruiting trip, she is going to look at the facilities of a major college program and see that they have much better ones than those that have a lower budget. All these kids dream about playing at UConn or Tennessee because they have been so popular. Duke and North Carolina have garnered a lot of publicity and gotten better with great coaches, but also because who doesn't want to go to those schools with all the tradition of the mens teams, and what they have seen of those fans on tv. Stanford and La. Tech used to be a couple of those schools that girls used to want to go to. There are many other schools that are at the big conferences that are good, and a lot of that has to do with coaching. Until recently, coaches like Coach Miller have left the smaller schools that gave them a start to move on.
I truly believe that you are going to see a school like BG or another so called mid major start to develop like a Gonzaga on the mens side. The parity will start to really develop here in the next few years, with more exposure of the college game, and the respect will be there. Mid Major teams have to have more than one or two good years in a row to really start to get the respect that they deserve. When I talk to some of the coaches that are coaching down here at the Southland, and talking to the kids, It is very hard to get a kid to go to one of those schools, simply because the facilities aren't that great, and they want to play at a visible DI. Luckily for BG, they only have to fight with OSU as the only visible DI in the state, and they can only get 13 kids. I know that Coach Miller has done wonders on out of state recruiting also, but a lot of girls don't want to go that far from home. They aren't as independant as the men are. I think I just babbled on about a whole lot of nothing, so forgive me if I lost some of you. But mark my words, in the next few years, you will see a team like BG start to get a lot more national recognition.

Bleeding Orange · Post by **Bleeding Orange** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:38 am

HoustonFalcon wrote:Since I coach on the womens side in the JUCO ranks, I think that I can shed some light on the situation. Womens college basketball has just come into the college mainstream in the last ten years or so. The big time schools have had so much more to offer than the lower budget schools. When a kid is on a recruiting trip, she is going to look at the facilities of a major college program and see that they have much better ones than those that have a lower budget. All these kids dream about playing at UConn or Tennessee because they have been so popular. Duke and North Carolina have garnered a lot of publicity and gotten better with great coaches, but also because who doesn't want to go to those schools with all the tradition of the mens teams, and what they have seen of those fans on tv. Stanford and La. Tech used to be a couple of those schools that girls used to want to go to. There are many other schools that are at the big conferences that are good, and a lot of that has to do with coaching. Until recently, coaches like Coach Miller have left the smaller schools that gave them a start to move on.
I truly believe that you are going to see a school like BG or another so called mid major start to develop like a Gonzaga on the mens side. The parity will start to really develop here in the next few years, with more exposure of the college game, and the respect will be there. Mid Major teams have to have more than one or two good years in a row to really start to get the respect that they deserve. When I talk to some of the coaches that are coaching down here at the Southland, and talking to the kids, It is very hard to get a kid to go to one of those schools, simply because the facilities aren't that great, and they want to play at a visible DI. Luckily for BG, they only have to fight with OSU as the only visible DI in the state, and they can only get 13 kids. I know that Coach Miller has done wonders on out of state recruiting also, but a lot of girls don't want to go that far from home. They aren't as independant as the men are. I think I just babbled on about a whole lot of nothing, so forgive me if I lost some of you. But mark my words, in the next few years, you will see a team like BG start to get a lot more national recognition.

What an excellent summation, HF!

You actually just confirmed a lot of what I thought about WCB but have been too timid to say - you know, don't want to look like a presumptive jerk. Especially after our performance against KSU last year in the tourney, it is has often occurred to me that we are well on the way to becoming a bit of a "mid-major" dynasty, kind of like Gonzaga on the men's side (as you mentioned).

The fact that Coach Miller has shown absolutely no interest whatsoever in moving up and on from BG gives me a lot of hope. The man is a phenomenal recruiter, and he is even better at coaching the girls once they get here. The Mann/Honneger class was just a sign of things to come, from what I've seen. I honestly don't see things falling apart anytime soon as far as our recruiting goes. Plus, with our facilities improving (Sebo Ctr., AA prelim. study, etc.), I really see BG becoming even more of an attractive destination for a recruit - not that it already has not proven to be. 8)

I am so very excited to see where this program goes. Sure, WCB is not one of the major NCAA sports, but it is major enought that we as a fanbase can point to it as proof of our ability to put a winner on the floor/field/court/ice/etc... That is really a secondary point, though, to the fact that these women simply do a phenomenal job of representing our University not only athletically, but academically and personally, as well. They are just plain FUN TO WATCH!

Falcons4Life · Post by **Falcons4Life** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:54 am

I hate to be the downer...but Urban also showed no interest!!! Oh yeah...Dan also showed no interest before WVU!!! Gary Blackney....Oh wait....run it up the middle!!!

Money talks and bull-defication walks!

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:37 am

Houston Falcon,

Excellent post. I remember Old Dominion was a power in women's hoops for years but haven't heard much of them lately.

HoustonFalcon · Post by **HoustonFalcon** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:37 pm

FF, I did a little research on ODU, and they are still a pretty good team, but they were bolstered in their runs to the final four by Ticha Pinachero, forgive the spelling. This year they are 8-7 with one of the toughest out of conference schedules in the country. They played Duke, Tennessee, UNC, Va. Tech, Vanderbilt, and Rutgers OOC. That is a schedule that no one should have to endure. That's 6 top 25 teams right there. They have bounced back in conference and are undefeated. But back to the topic at hand. It is only going to take BG playing and beating or giving a great fight to a couple of bigger programs for us to start to gain the recognition that we deserve nationally. If we put together a great season the rest of this year, and get a win in the tournament, then next year we might get a lot of votes to begin the year next year and move up from there. I haven't seen our OOC next year, but I really hope it has at least one team that is pretty strong that, if we win, people will really take notice.

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:22 pm

Five votes in this week's AP poll.

Bleeding Orange · Post by **Bleeding Orange** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:44 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/news/stor ... nkings/rpi

I realize that the RPI's haven't been updated (at least here) since January 15, but look at a couple of things here. BG is ranked 61st (we were at that time 12-2). Ahead of BG is a 7-7 Texas Tech (47th), a 10-6 South Florida (38th), an 8-6 TCU (26th), and a 6-7 Old Dominion (23rd). How in the hell can these rankings be justified, especially by a computer ranking system? a 6-7 team at TWENTY THREE?!?!

I absolutely don't get this at all...

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:09 am

Bleeding Orange wrote:http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/news/stor ... nkings/rpi

I realize that the RPI's haven't been updated (at least here) since January 15, but look at a couple of things here. BG is ranked 61st (we were at that time 12-2). Ahead of BG is a 7-7 Texas Tech (47th), a 10-6 South Florida (38th), an 8-6 TCU (26th), and a 6-7 Old Dominion (23rd). How in the hell can these rankings be justified, especially by a computer ranking system? a 6-7 team at TWENTY THREE?!?!

I absolutely don't get this at all...

It's the strength of schedule. Most of ODU's losses have come to power teams (Tenn., Duke, Vandy, Rutgers...). Doesn't necessarily make it right, but it makes more sense. What *doesn't* make sense, is that in the Duke and Tennessee games, they lost by 15+.

bgsufalcon24 · Post by **bgsufalcon24** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:46 am

Unfortunately, the ESPN/USA TODAY poll won't be updated this week, we were doing pretty well there, and would likely be on the verge of cracking the top 25 this week. At 16-2, it's a joke that we aren't in as it is. A win over Eastern Michigan on Wednesday is sure to get us there, assuming we don't trip up over the weekend against whoever we play then.