ESPN's MAC Awards, BG named MAC's biggest disappointment

Rightupinthere · Post by **Rightupinthere** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:13 pm

Can we not agree that the application of the word "disappointment" is subjective?

Many people will agree with ESPN. Some won't. Many people - including myself - were disappointed with the season. I'm disappointed I didn't get some one on one time with Princess Jasmine. It doesn't mean my Disney experience was for naught.

BIG [EXPLETIVE] DEAL! I'm really exciting with the recruiting news. I was calling for Brandon's job earlier in the season. I'm backing away from that stance a bit - especially with 87's historical recruiting breakdown.

Oh, and Tinkerbell is hot.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:20 pm

Rightupinthere wrote: I was calling for Brandon's job earlier in the season.

So, "This suffocatingly negative attitude you possess is hilarious."

Falcons4Life · Post by **Falcons4Life** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:52 am

Rightupinthere...we share a magic maggot bond, but for real anyone who doesnt see this season as a disappointment is probably the same person that says that tuition being raised isnt bad, and that Saddlemeier is the best looking building on any american campus!

If you can honestly say that the ass stomping handed out by western didnt make you hang your head for at least a moment, the BG blood is freezing up!

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:20 am

Rightupinthere wrote: Oh, and Tinkerbell is hot.

Yeah, she's pretty hot. Although I've always preferred Ariel from Little Mermaid

I mean, c'mon. Overlook the fact that she's half fish and she's HOT!

Falcons4Life · Post by **Falcons4Life** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:24 am

But tinkerbell is a hoe! She is definitely a SkyBar regular!! I must say however I have always like the fish more than faries!!!

JoeFalcon · Post by **JoeFalcon** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:32 am

Warthog wrote:Well Joe my definition for disappoinment happens to be the same as the dictionary's since I don't make up definitions for words.

And since when in the hell is calling our season a disappointment give me a 'suffocatingly negative attitude'? Disappointment means not meeting expectations. My expectations were to win the MAC East. My expectations were that it would take a record of at least 7-1 to do that. Did we meet my expectations? No. Were my expectations unresasonable? No. The fact that Akron won the East with 3 losses makes it even more disappointing.

As far as everyone but the national champs having a disappointing season, yuo couldn't be farther from the truth. Do you think Akron is disappointed? Western? Central? Notre Dame? Penn State? For every team that fails to meet expectations, there is another team that exceeds theirs. Western and Central were picked to finish near the bottom of the West. They were both in the hunt until the final week. Yes, it was disappointing for them to not win the West. But on the whole, I would venture to say that 99% of thier fans were satisfied with the season overall.

On your Colts example, you are off base again. NFL teams have two seasons, the regular seasons and the playoffs. Indy in no way, shape, or form has had a disappointing regular season no matter what happened yesterday or the next two games.

And I never said anything about sticking my head in an oven. Just because I am disappointed doesn't mean I am ready to go postal or postal. You are taking this 'disappointed thing' way too seriously.

Let's try again, shall we?

You finally answered my question in the second paragraph about what constitutes "disappointment" for you but convienently failed to throw in that little matter of the MAC Offensive POY getting hurt and missing the majority of two of those losses. I'm sure if Omar was able to he'd apologize for getting hurt and costing us the division to the Zips.

As for other teams, ask Penn State if they'd like the last play against Michigan back or a healthy Derrick Williams. Ask Notre Dame about the defensive collapse against Michigan State. Ask WMU and CMU if they enjoyed falling short in the division after getting so close. I guess neither of those things are disappointing-it's only BG's failings that count.

As for the Colts, I can't explain any clearer than I have that their season's fate is inextricably linked to the post-season precisely because of their success in the regular season. All the games count and post-season games carry the most weight, hence all that hype about a "Super Bowl" at the end of January.

Bottom line: I don't appreciate ignorant, knee-jerk national media members issuing sweeping, broad-brush pronouncements about my favorite team, especially when other logical candidates like Miami, EMU and Ohio have comprable resumes in that area.

JoeFalcon · Post by **JoeFalcon** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:35 am

Rightupinthere wrote:Can we not agree that the application of the word "disappointment" is subjective?

Many people will agree with ESPN. Some won't. Many people - including myself - were disappointed with the season. I'm disappointed I didn't get some one on one time with Princess Jasmine. It doesn't mean my Disney experience was for naught.

BIG [EXPLETIVE] DEAL! I'm really exciting with the recruiting news. I was calling for Brandon's job earlier in the season. I'm backing away from that stance a bit - especially with 87's historical recruiting breakdown.

Oh, and Tinkerbell is hot.

Right on. I've been highly critical of Brandon as well but poaching recruits from Big 10 and SEC teams has a definite placative effect.

Rightupinthere · Post by **Rightupinthere** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:50 am

Warthog wrote:
Rightupinthere wrote: I was calling for Brandon's job earlier in the season.
So, "This suffocatingly negative attitude you possess is hilarious."

You may call me Mr. Sunshine.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:26 am

JoeFalcon wrote:You finally answered my question in the second paragraph about what constitutes "disappointment" for you but convienently failed to throw in that little matter of the MAC Offensive POY getting hurt and missing the majority of two of those losses. I'm sure if Omar was able to he'd apologize for getting hurt and costing us the division to the Zips.

I fail to see what Omar getting hurt has to do with this discussion. Is he the only player on the team? Would you feel better if I said I was disappointed tht Omar got hurt? Can I be disaappointed in the other guys that did play against Western and Akron? What is your definition of disappointing?

JoeFalcon wrote:As for other teams, ask Penn State if they'd like the last play against Michigan back or a healthy Derrick Williams. Ask Notre Dame about the defensive collapse against Michigan State. Ask WMU and CMU if they enjoyed falling short in the division after getting so close. I guess neither of those things are disappointing-it's only BG's failings that count.

Ask Western what their expectations were when the season started. Ask Penn State, Central, ND. Those teams (save PSU who did have somewhat higher expectations) were hoping to just be competitive this season. Given the results, they all exceeded expectations. Yes they are all disappointed they didn't win it all, but that was not their expectations when the season started. They all have disappointing moments, but their seasons overall are not disappointing.

JoeFalcon wrote:Bottom line: I don't appreciate ignorant, knee-jerk national media members issuing sweeping, broad-brush pronouncements about my favorite team, especially when other logical candidates like Miami, EMU and Ohio have comprable resumes in that area.

Please enlighten us as to why you think Miami, EMU and Ohio had more disappointing season then we did? Who was picked to win the division and didn't? Whether Omar was hurt is irrelevant. Our team did not meet expectations = disappointing season. How hard is that to understand. I do not have a "suffocatingly negative attitude" saying our season was disappointing.

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:30 am

1987alum wrote:FWIW, I'd say BG was the single biggest disappointment in the MAC this year ... no one else even came close.

That being said, I'm past it. The recent recruiting news that I'm seeing has me already getting fired up for next year.

Me too, 87. the recruiting news has given us all a big reason to smile.

Took me a while to get over that UT game but what's done is done. Time to move on.

JoeFalcon · Post by **JoeFalcon** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:19 pm

Warthog wrote:
JoeFalcon wrote:You finally answered my question in the second paragraph about what constitutes "disappointment" for you but convienently failed to throw in that little matter of the MAC Offensive POY getting hurt and missing the majority of two of those losses. I'm sure if Omar was able to he'd apologize for getting hurt and costing us the division to the Zips.
I fail to see what Omar getting hurt has to do with this discussion. Is he the only player on the team? Would you feel better if I said I was disappointed tht Omar got hurt? Can I be disaappointed in the other guys that did play against Western and Akron? What is your definition of disappointing?

JoeFalcon wrote:As for other teams, ask Penn State if they'd like the last play against Michigan back or a healthy Derrick Williams. Ask Notre Dame about the defensive collapse against Michigan State. Ask WMU and CMU if they enjoyed falling short in the division after getting so close. I guess neither of those things are disappointing-it's only BG's failings that count.
Ask Western what their expectations were when the season started. Ask Penn State, Central, ND. Those teams (save PSU who did have somewhat higher expectations) were hoping to just be competitive this season. Given the results, they all exceeded expectations. Yes they are all disappointed they didn't win it all, but that was not their expectations when the season started. They all have disappointing moments, but their seasons overall are not disappointing.

JoeFalcon wrote:Bottom line: I don't appreciate ignorant, knee-jerk national media members issuing sweeping, broad-brush pronouncements about my favorite team, especially when other logical candidates like Miami, EMU and Ohio have comprable resumes in that area.
Please enlighten us as to why you think Miami, EMU and Ohio had more disappointing season then we did? Who was picked to win the division and didn't? Whether Omar was hurt is irrelevant. Our team did not meet expectations = disappointing season. How hard is that to understand. I do not have a "suffocatingly negative attitude" saying our season was disappointing.

Warthog, I now agree that excessive negativity is not the issue-a complete detatchment from reality is.

"Omar getting hurt is irrelevent" in a discussion about disappointment and expectations? Excuse me? Let me repeat that one again: "Omar getting hurt is irrelevent?"

No, it's not. An injury to the MAC Offensive Player of the Year and the undisputed catalyst of the offense makes the Akron loss at home (which cost us the outright East title) more explainable and less disappointing-logically, if not emotionally-given the fact our best player was out. To dismiss Omar Jacobs as simply another player and fail to see what he means to the offense and the team is baffling.

As for the other teams, I'm talking about expectations and subsequent disappointment from not meeting them during the season. Aside from that, Penn State and Central Michigan did indeed have championship aspirations at the start of the season while the WMU coach was talking pretty big himself about an immediate return to contention, especially after their close loss to Virginia. Again, by your standard, virtually every team is "disappointing" by failing to live up imaginary, arbitrary standards of what fans think teams should or should not accomplish regardless of circumstances like the best player missing decisive games and the second best player (Pope, PJ) playing at half speed.

If you want my case for Miami, EMU and Ohio check my previous post, but here's a synopsis: Miami was picked by multiple media outlets, including Street and Smith's, to win the East themselves. EMU was predicted by most to finish 3rd in the West and finished last. Ohio was expected to make a move with former National Coach of the Year Frank Solich and won 4 games. Any of those seem "disappointing" to you?

I'm not saying BG couldn't have done better and had the season everyone associated with the program desired. I am saying I expect a national media hack to make the obvious leap and declare BG's season an utter disappointment without knowing the full picture, but not a member of the fan base who supposedly understood the dynamics of the year and would, at the very least, be willing to give his own team the benefit of the doubt.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:44 pm

regardless of anybody's definition of disappointment, assumed negative attitude, or propensity towards saying the same thing over and over again, I still think it's extremely, monumentally, titanically difficult to argue against the notion that BG was the most disappointing team in the MAC.

Most agree with that, and one or two (probably more) don't. Let's just leave it at that.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:51 pm

Des the definition of disappointment matter? Does the degree of the "disappointmnet" really matter. We lost our last three at home including one to our arch rival.

Let's just say that the season sucked a great big donkey appendage and move on to more important discussions....like the novel ways I can injure myself with garden tools or who would win a fight on Mars between Brian McClure and Josh Harris.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:29 pm

I'm tired of rehashing all this as well, but I'll chime in some support for Warthog. Omar's injury is irrelevant to the expectations of the season and how we fared against those expectations. Good teams overcome injuries, players step up, you adapt. Injuries are a part of football, and I'm not ready to forgive our entire team for pissing down there leg for 3 games just because their best player was hurt.

Plenty of teams have dealt with that in the past and plenty of teams have overcome that to still meet their expectations.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:14 pm

Thanks for the support here folks. I am going to move on and let this ailing horse die a peaceful death now.

So what do you all think of this Moten guy on the basketball team?