You can not possibly pass on Vince Young and Reggie Bush. you would regret that for years.1987alum wrote:That wouldn't surprise me one bit.hammb wrote:The best thing for their team, in actuality, would be to renegotiate Carr's deal, trade down a couple notches, and grab Ferguson because he's the player they need the most.
I didn't say they should pass on them. I said they should trade out of the spot. Very different things, depending on what they can get. I have to believe that with your choice of Reggie Bush or Vince Young that pick would fetch a pretty prize...like additional future first rounders, etc. I highly doubt that San Diego regrets trading the #1 pick that became Vick. They got LdT and additional picks in that case...and ended up with a pretty darn good QB in Brees.Germainfitch1 wrote:You can not possibly pass on Vince Young and Reggie Bush. you would regret that for years.1987alum wrote:That wouldn't surprise me one bit.hammb wrote:The best thing for their team, in actuality, would be to renegotiate Carr's deal, trade down a couple notches, and grab Ferguson because he's the player they need the most.
Especially in a draft with three possible LT starters taken early if not more.
Trading out of a spot where they could draft them is most certainly passing on them. Reggie Bush is so much better than any other player available you have to take him. Have to. I agee that tackle is a more pressing need, But Bush is the kind of player you have to take.hammb wrote:I didn't say they should pass on them. I said they should trade out of the spot. Very different things, depending on what they can get. I have to believe that with your choice of Reggie Bush or Vince Young that pick would fetch a pretty prize...like additional future first rounders, etc. I highly doubt that San Diego regrets trading the #1 pick that became Vick. They got LdT and additional picks in that case...and ended up with a pretty darn good QB in Brees.Germainfitch1 wrote:You can not possibly pass on Vince Young and Reggie Bush. you would regret that for years.1987alum wrote:That wouldn't surprise me one bit.hammb wrote:The best thing for their team, in actuality, would be to renegotiate Carr's deal, trade down a couple notches, and grab Ferguson because he's the player they need the most.
Especially in a draft with three possible LT starters taken early if not more.
As good as Bush & Young are neither would help Texas as much as Ferguson, and they could add him while adding some additional talent.
Keep the stock tips, I'll take the lottery numbers, preferably when the MegaMillions hits $200 million?Jacobs4Heisman wrote:Germainfitch1 wrote:
Reggie Bush will be a texan
Now that we've got that cleared up, which company's stock is going to go up the most in the next 6 months? I want to move to a nicer place.
Reggie Bush will wear number 32 for the Texnas......BGSUfalcons wrote:I'm not sure Reggie Bush is the "best player" available (however that is measured), let alone "so much better than any other player available." I wouldn't be shocked if Lendale White had a better pro career. The Texans are in a tough spot (assuming a team can have the #1 pick and still be in a tough spot). Their o-line is terrible, which is why Ferguson makes sense and why they might not have the best read on how good Carr is/can be. I think they should either trade down and take Ferguson or take Young. Another concern is Ferguson's "inconsistent" senior year.
It seems as if those in this discussion are wavering between what the Texans should do and what they will do. Those might not be the same thing.Germainfitch1 wrote:Reggie Bush will wear number 32 for the Texnas......BGSUfalcons wrote:I'm not sure Reggie Bush is the "best player" available (however that is measured), let alone "so much better than any other player available." I wouldn't be shocked if Lendale White had a better pro career. The Texans are in a tough spot (assuming a team can have the #1 pick and still be in a tough spot). Their o-line is terrible, which is why Ferguson makes sense and why they might not have the best read on how good Carr is/can be. I think they should either trade down and take Ferguson or take Young. Another concern is Ferguson's "inconsistent" senior year.
Who wants more statements of fact when there is no accountability.
I think you just discredited your own post.Germainfitch1 wrote:Reggie Bush will wear number 32 for the Texnas......BGSUfalcons wrote:I'm not sure Reggie Bush is the "best player" available (however that is measured), let alone "so much better than any other player available." I wouldn't be shocked if Lendale White had a better pro career. The Texans are in a tough spot (assuming a team can have the #1 pick and still be in a tough spot). Their o-line is terrible, which is why Ferguson makes sense and why they might not have the best read on how good Carr is/can be. I think they should either trade down and take Ferguson or take Young. Another concern is Ferguson's "inconsistent" senior year.
Who wants more statements of fact when there is no accountability.
I am pretty sure that was the point.1987alum wrote:I think you just discredited your own post.Germainfitch1 wrote:Reggie Bush will wear number 32 for the Texnas......BGSUfalcons wrote:I'm not sure Reggie Bush is the "best player" available (however that is measured), let alone "so much better than any other player available." I wouldn't be shocked if Lendale White had a better pro career. The Texans are in a tough spot (assuming a team can have the #1 pick and still be in a tough spot). Their o-line is terrible, which is why Ferguson makes sense and why they might not have the best read on how good Carr is/can be. I think they should either trade down and take Ferguson or take Young. Another concern is Ferguson's "inconsistent" senior year.
Who wants more statements of fact when there is no accountability.
If you stay in the #1 spot, I agree with you. However, trading out of a spot is not the same as passing on them. The NFL draft is about value. It doesn't matter if I go into the draft with my scouting reports and I think that player X is the best player in the draft for my team. If player X is rated as a 2nd rounder by the rest of the league you don't take him in the top 5.Germainfitch1 wrote:Trading out of a spot where they could draft them is most certainly passing on them. Reggie Bush is so much better than any other player available you have to take him. Have to. I agee that tackle is a more pressing need, But Bush is the kind of player you have to take.
Trading the opportunity to draft Rggie Bush is giving up Reggie Bush and passing on Reggie Bush.hammb wrote:If you stay in the #1 spot, I agree with you. However, trading out of a spot is not the same as passing on them. The NFL draft is about value. It doesn't matter if I go into the draft with my scouting reports and I think that player X is the best player in the draft for my team. If player X is rated as a 2nd rounder by the rest of the league you don't take him in the top 5.Germainfitch1 wrote:Trading out of a spot where they could draft them is most certainly passing on them. Reggie Bush is so much better than any other player available you have to take him. Have to. I agee that tackle is a more pressing need, But Bush is the kind of player you have to take.
If what you heard is true, and the Texans are giving Carr the bonus they will nto be taking Leinart or Young. That still doesn't mean that they will be taking Bush, but I would be shocked if they didn't. I still think some teams will be willing to pay top compensation to move into that spot. If I'm Texas I would be listening to all offers. The Lions snagged the #37 pick in the draft a couple years ago to drop down 1 spot. If the Texans could get a high 2nd rounder, or a future first rounder, to drop down a couple spots and still snag D'Brickashaw Ferguson, that's value.
You certainly cannot take D'Brick #1 overall, because it's poor value. The rest of the league will be slobbering over Bush, and he is a cannot miss talent, but that doesn't mean you have to take him. It's quite fine to trade out of a pick if you get value for your pick. I still wish the Browns would've taken Ditka up on that offer in '99 to trade his entire draft plus the 1st rounder next year for the right to choose Ricky Williams.
I don't get the love fest with Lendale White. He's got some power, but he's a full 2 yards per carry worse than Reggie throughout the season and doesn't offer that versatility. I think Lendale is a first round talent if you want a straight ahead power back, but it seems cliche to say that he'll have a better career than Bush. Personally I don't think White is any better than than the 3rd or 4th best RB in the draft. I rate Bush & DeAngelo Williams ahead of White for sure, and possibly Maroney as well. Of all the guys in the draft Williams is the one that it wouldn't shock me if he ended up better than Bush. That guy reminds me of LaDanian Tomlinson so much it's scary.
In the end it's a pretty good draft to have the #1 pick, it will be tough for the Texans to screw this up. If they take Vince or Bush they have a potential superstar. If they trade down they should be able to rape somebody for picks, and still come away with a pretty good player in return this year as well. If I were them I don't think I'd drop out of the top 5 though.
Trading the opportunity to draft Rggie Bush is giving up Reggie Bush and passing on Reggie Bush.hammb wrote:If you stay in the #1 spot, I agree with you. However, trading out of a spot is not the same as passing on them. The NFL draft is about value. It doesn't matter if I go into the draft with my scouting reports and I think that player X is the best player in the draft for my team. If player X is rated as a 2nd rounder by the rest of the league you don't take him in the top 5.Germainfitch1 wrote:Trading out of a spot where they could draft them is most certainly passing on them. Reggie Bush is so much better than any other player available you have to take him. Have to. I agee that tackle is a more pressing need, But Bush is the kind of player you have to take.
If what you heard is true, and the Texans are giving Carr the bonus they will nto be taking Leinart or Young. That still doesn't mean that they will be taking Bush, but I would be shocked if they didn't. I still think some teams will be willing to pay top compensation to move into that spot. If I'm Texas I would be listening to all offers. The Lions snagged the #37 pick in the draft a couple years ago to drop down 1 spot. If the Texans could get a high 2nd rounder, or a future first rounder, to drop down a couple spots and still snag D'Brickashaw Ferguson, that's value.
You certainly cannot take D'Brick #1 overall, because it's poor value. The rest of the league will be slobbering over Bush, and he is a cannot miss talent, but that doesn't mean you have to take him. It's quite fine to trade out of a pick if you get value for your pick. I still wish the Browns would've taken Ditka up on that offer in '99 to trade his entire draft plus the 1st rounder next year for the right to choose Ricky Williams.
I don't get the love fest with Lendale White. He's got some power, but he's a full 2 yards per carry worse than Reggie throughout the season and doesn't offer that versatility. I think Lendale is a first round talent if you want a straight ahead power back, but it seems cliche to say that he'll have a better career than Bush. Personally I don't think White is any better than than the 3rd or 4th best RB in the draft. I rate Bush & DeAngelo Williams ahead of White for sure, and possibly Maroney as well. Of all the guys in the draft Williams is the one that it wouldn't shock me if he ended up better than Bush. That guy reminds me of LaDanian Tomlinson so much it's scary.
In the end it's a pretty good draft to have the #1 pick, it will be tough for the Texans to screw this up. If they take Vince or Bush they have a potential superstar. If they trade down they should be able to rape somebody for picks, and still come away with a pretty good player in return this year as well. If I were them I don't think I'd drop out of the top 5 though.
