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Bleeding Orange wrote:Not to turn this into a thread about Thomas (because really, who gives a crap about him! :lol: ), but DAMN does Thomas look good! You could never tell that he is a rookie out there the way he is directing his defense, especially on the PP! I'm watching the Bruins vs. Caps game on OLN right now, and I have to admit that I am really, really impressed with this kid. An astounding stat - 15 shutouts in 45 games in Finland last year? :shock:

My only question is, with a talent like Thomas on the depth chart, what does this mean for Jordan's future with the Bruins organization? I think Jordan has the talent to be a starting netminder in the NHL, but with the kind of goaltending depth that Boston has, will he get a realistic shot with them anytime soon?
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Bleeding Orange wrote:Not to turn this into a thread about Thomas (because really, who gives a crap about him! :lol: ), but DAMN does Thomas look good! You could never tell that he is a rookie out there the way he is directing his defense, especially on the PP! I'm watching the Bruins vs. Caps game on OLN right now, and I have to admit that I am really, really impressed with this kid. An astounding stat - 15 shutouts in 45 games in Finland last year? :shock:

My only question is, with a talent like Thomas on the depth chart, what does this mean for Jordan's future with the Bruins organization? I think Jordan has the talent to be a starting netminder in the NHL, but with the kind of goaltending depth that Boston has, will he get a realistic shot with them anytime soon?
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HEH! Thats cool! :D

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Not to burst anyone's bubble... but I have to bring some perspective to those numbers.

Jordan has played 43 seconds and didn't face a shot. So yes, he is leading the team in GAA, but typically they have a minimum # of games for stats leaders. Apparently this page didn't! I haven't looked up any numbers, but my guess is that Thomas is leading this category if they apply a minimum # of games or minutes. Neither Raycroft nor Toivunen seemed to be getting it done when they got hurt.

Now, about Thomas. Thomas is not a rookie. He might be by the number of NHL games he's played, I am not sure. But he has been in the NHL before (for the Bruins nonetheless) and has a bunch of records in Providence because he'd already played there three seasons before this one. Last season he played in Finland. Thomas is 32 years old and first played professionally in 1996. He's also from Flint, MI, but let's not hold that against him :)

My belief (and I could be wrong!) is that the Bruins brought Thomas in for some veteran leadership. Raycroft is only in his second year in the NHL(would be third if you count lockout time) and Toivunen is a rookie at the NHL level. This is Jordan's first season pro, same for Mike Brown. That's a lot of very young goaltending and I suspect that Thomas is a good influence to have around all these kids.

All that said, I think Jordan will get his chance. For whatever reasons, goaltenders take longer to develop than skaters. My example here will be Ryan Miller... this is his rookie year in the NHL, but he left school at the end of his junior year (2002-03). Miller is a sick goaltender (as any of you who saw him can attest) but it took him two years in the AHL and having to establish himself ahead of Biron (who they thought would be their #1 this year) to get himself some playing time.

From all accounts, the Bruins are pleased with Jordan to this point, so there's no reason to think he won't get his chance when he's ready.
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McConvey wrote:Not to burst anyone's bubble... but I have to bring some perspective to those numbers.

Jordan has played 43 seconds and didn't face a shot. So yes, he is leading the team in GAA, but typically they have a minimum # of games for stats leaders. Apparently this page didn't!
Not bursting any bubbles here. I just thought it was funny that his name was listed as a team leader. This is the same website that had Matumoto as a Bemiji player last week (sorry, I'm too lazy to look up the link. It was a NC$$ weekly article). I don't give them much credit to begin with.
He's also from Flint, MI, but let's not hold that against him :)
He's a Toid :?: :!: Well, at least he's one of the smart ones and escaped that god-forsaken dirt hole. Leave a vehicle parked anywhere in that city and, if it doesn't get stolen or broken into, it will have a thick layer of dirt on it. No need to drive anywhere, it just settles.....Oh wait, this is a thread about Jordan. Sorry for the rant. There's just something about that city ::puke::
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McConvey wrote:Not to burst anyone's bubble... but I have to bring some perspective to those numbers.

Jordan has played 43 seconds and didn't face a shot. So yes, he is leading the team in GAA, but typically they have a minimum # of games for stats leaders. Apparently this page didn't! I haven't looked up any numbers, but my guess is that Thomas is leading this category if they apply a minimum # of games or minutes. Neither Raycroft nor Toivunen seemed to be getting it done when they got hurt.

Now, about Thomas. Thomas is not a rookie. He might be by the number of NHL games he's played, I am not sure. But he has been in the NHL before (for the Bruins nonetheless) and has a bunch of records in Providence because he'd already played there three seasons before this one. Last season he played in Finland. Thomas is 32 years old and first played professionally in 1996. He's also from Flint, MI, but let's not hold that against him :)

My belief (and I could be wrong!) is that the Bruins brought Thomas in for some veteran leadership. Raycroft is only in his second year in the NHL(would be third if you count lockout time) and Toivunen is a rookie at the NHL level. This is Jordan's first season pro, same for Mike Brown. That's a lot of very young goaltending and I suspect that Thomas is a good influence to have around all these kids.

All that said, I think Jordan will get his chance. For whatever reasons, goaltenders take longer to develop than skaters. My example here will be Ryan Miller... this is his rookie year in the NHL, but he left school at the end of his junior year (2002-03). Miller is a sick goaltender (as any of you who saw him can attest) but it took him two years in the AHL and having to establish himself ahead of Biron (who they thought would be their #1 this year) to get himself some playing time.

From all accounts, the Bruins are pleased with Jordan to this point, so there's no reason to think he won't get his chance when he's ready.
No bubbles burst here. I knew Jordan had only played :43 and hadn't faced a shot, which is why I chuckled when I saw his name as the sv% leader - it was still kind of cool, though. Also, I posted what I did about Thomas before I found out that he had been originally drafted by the Nordiques in th 90's, which is when I knew he wasn't as young as I thought. Still, I'm impressed by his ability to step up and play big when he hasn't played much in the NHL.

I guess I'm just skeptical of Jordan's prospects with the Bruins given the fact that Raycroft, Toivunen, Thomas and Brown seemingly ahead of him in the depth chart. Jordan is still a few years off from being a starter in the NHL, of course, but that seems like a lot of people to jump over to get to the next level. I think he will get a shot, at least in a backup role, in that time, though.
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Bleeding Orange wrote: I guess I'm just skeptical of Jordan's prospects with the Bruins given the fact that Raycroft, Toivunen, Thomas and Brown seemingly ahead of him in the depth chart. Jordan is still a few years off from being a starter in the NHL, of course, but that seems like a lot of people to jump over to get to the next level. I think he will get a shot, at least in a backup role, in that time, though.
I'm not nearly as skeptical as you are about Jordan's prospects.
He split time with Thomas when Thomas was down in Providence and he's ahead of Brown right now; Brown has been in the ECHL most of the season and got called up to Providence to back up Jordan once Thomas went to the NHL.

Also remember that they signed Jordan to begin with.
The B's had another drafted goaltender playing in college that finished his career the same time as Jordan: Matti Kaltiainen from Boston College. Kaltiainen was drafted higher than Jordan (4th round, 111th overall vs. 7th round, 209th overall in the 2001 draft). Look up Kaltiainen's numbers vs. Jordan's. Now factor in that Jordan announced he has MS. The safe bet for the Bruins would have been to sign Kaltiainen, but they signed Jordan instead and Kaltiainen went home to Finland.


NOTE: I know... numbers do not tell the entire story of a goaltender, esp. if you've seen both Jordan and Matti Kaltiainen play. I have, and Jordan is leaps and bounds ahead of Kaltiainen. My point was that on paper, Kaltiainen is by far the safer bet, yet the B's took the risk with Jordan.
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