Was it Kent or OU's hockey program that could have been coached by Solich? I know one of theme got axed because of some boozing/hazing stuff. . ..
As for the officiating this always frustrates me when people blame "MAC officiating." I agree it is questionable at best sometimes, and I wasn't there last night to see specific personnel, but do most of you realize that in many cases "MAC officials" and 'Big 10 officials" are one in the same?
Since they cover the same geographic area many officials cover both leagues. Specifically I have seen the rat faced/whoville looking official and the older looking Bob Huggins official do Big 10 games this season.
It frustrates me that they can be on ESPN's Big Monday then turn around and be so inconsistent in a MAC building the following day. I guess my point is that yes MAC officiating is shaky but they also do many Big 10 games so we shouldn't use our small conference weak officals thing as a crutch.
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Officiating was terrible, but it went both ways (for the most part).
The worst call of the night was the technical foul on Dakich because the officials took the game out of the players hands at that point. If you're going to call the coach for a technical when he comes onto the court as Dakich did, then you have to call it the first time he steps over the line by the scoring table, or the first time he is kneeling on the floor watching the play.
It's one thing for Dakich to be called for a technical for jack-jawing with an official. It's another thing when he is doing nothing different than the opponents coach.
Oh well, at least no coach suffered a medical ailment and got slapped with a technical for collapsing on the floor.
The worst call of the night was the technical foul on Dakich because the officials took the game out of the players hands at that point. If you're going to call the coach for a technical when he comes onto the court as Dakich did, then you have to call it the first time he steps over the line by the scoring table, or the first time he is kneeling on the floor watching the play.
It's one thing for Dakich to be called for a technical for jack-jawing with an official. It's another thing when he is doing nothing different than the opponents coach.
Oh well, at least no coach suffered a medical ailment and got slapped with a technical for collapsing on the floor.
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Mac Officals.....
Have been horrid for a long time. I dont' know how many times Lefled got raped under the basket. It was riddiculous. We did althouh even with the stupid T have a chance to do some thing but with 10 seconds to go in a game and us having to get a bucket to either tie or win we don't do well all cuz its takes us too damn long to find anyone who might be open, plus we do a horrible job in those type of cercumstances to to run a decent play to get a good shot off. It was sad to watch , the next ladies home game can't come soon enough.
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Lefeld couldn't have gotten raped that many times, b/c you only saw half the game as usual. And all of the "rapings" under the basket were examples of how much more athletic Buffalo was than we were. Hammb and I recalled a specific possession where Matt actually had his shot blocked by Calvin Cage, yes the point guard.
Our post play was god-awful last night and then we quit trying to get the ball there.
Our post play was god-awful last night and then we quit trying to get the ball there.
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I had a discussion with the head coach of the team we were playing tonight, and it's not just the MAC that is getting screwed. Some of these officials that are doing different conferences seem to be taking nights off on the court when they are at a different venue. They seem to try to do the best they can when they are at a Big 10 school for instance, and then travel the next day for a "mid major" and seem to call things differently, and let things go a little more. I haven't been able to see MAC officiating in person, so all of this is based on what I have experienced this year. I think that some of these officials are overworking themselves, and the kids are suffering.
But in no way will I say that the officials are the sole reason why we, or any other team, lost. We had an instance two weeks ago where we lost by one, and I could call out two plays that would have given us the win as far as officials really screwing it up in an obvious worst way. On one play the there was a bad pass that went off the official while he was standing out of bounds, and the kid retrieved it and hit a three. Another play our guard drove to the hole and got tripped, and he said the kid was out of control, that was a turnover instead of two shots. But I won't blame the loss on them, because they didn't come out flat and miss 5 layups, or not get out on the only three point shooter the other team had, that was our fault.
Blame the officials for not being on their game and being bad, but don't blame them for a loss.
But in no way will I say that the officials are the sole reason why we, or any other team, lost. We had an instance two weeks ago where we lost by one, and I could call out two plays that would have given us the win as far as officials really screwing it up in an obvious worst way. On one play the there was a bad pass that went off the official while he was standing out of bounds, and the kid retrieved it and hit a three. Another play our guard drove to the hole and got tripped, and he said the kid was out of control, that was a turnover instead of two shots. But I won't blame the loss on them, because they didn't come out flat and miss 5 layups, or not get out on the only three point shooter the other team had, that was our fault.
Blame the officials for not being on their game and being bad, but don't blame them for a loss.
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Yeah Ted Valentine was reffing the Akron game yesterday. He also officiates Big10 games.Dayons_Den wrote: As for the officiating this always frustrates me when people blame "MAC officiating." I agree it is questionable at best sometimes, and I wasn't there last night to see specific personnel, but do most of you realize that in many cases "MAC officials" and 'Big 10 officials" are one in the same?
It frustrates me that they can be on ESPN's Big Monday then turn around and be so inconsistent in a MAC building the following day. I guess my point is that yes MAC officiating is shaky but they also do many Big 10 games so we shouldn't use our small conference weak officals thing as a crutch.
From my "Officiating Basketball" class at Ohio State (no joke) it sounded like the officials in your game made the correct call in both instances. The referees are absolutely "in play" and a "part of the court" so if the ball careens back into the court after contacting one of the officials, it's fair game.
On the other call, MOST referees and this is where the term "judgment call" very much comes into play, but if a player is obviously "out of control" they will not grant the said player a shooting foul due the lack of ball control and for lack of a better word coordination of the offensive player. It doesn't give the defensive player license to autmatically hack someone who is out of control, but the offensive player puts a great deal of doubt into the officicals' minds if he is out of control. For an example of this watch any game tape involving John Floyd and the lack of calls he gets.
On the other call, MOST referees and this is where the term "judgment call" very much comes into play, but if a player is obviously "out of control" they will not grant the said player a shooting foul due the lack of ball control and for lack of a better word coordination of the offensive player. It doesn't give the defensive player license to autmatically hack someone who is out of control, but the offensive player puts a great deal of doubt into the officicals' minds if he is out of control. For an example of this watch any game tape involving John Floyd and the lack of calls he gets.
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Option, the official was standing Out Of Bounds when the ball bounced off of him. That makes the ball out of bounds. The other play, the girl took one dribble and got tripped, you can't get out of control with one dribble. But that is not the point I was trying to make. I was trying to make the point that no matter how bad the officiating is or isn't, the players are the only one's that win and lose games.
