Jacobs Draft Stock...rising?

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:47 pm

Jacobs4Heisman wrote: GM's will be particularly interested in Omar's score because of A: the offense we ran, and B: The audible system we used.

Agreed.

dduncan · Post by **dduncan** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:01 pm

Bowling Green's pro workout date is scheduled for March 2nd:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/individual_workouts

What that tells me is that I don't think you'll see a whole lot of running by Omar Jacobs during the Indy Combine. Just a guess. I assume that Omar will work out in BG? Or will he schedule a personal workout date in Florida? I guess we'll find out eventually.

saves · Post by **saves** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:01 pm

Jacobs4Heisman wrote:
GM's will be particularly interested in Omar's score because of A: the offense we ran, and B: The audible system we used.

I can't disagree with that. I think the Myers-Briggs personality test that many coaches used to judge mental make up may be a factor with him.

Here is an old article about Eli Manning and the test.

"Brain Doctor" Say Eli Manning is No Peyton

Full Article: http://www.indystar.com/articles/2/143771-3762-038.html

Clipped from: Albany Times Union

The Brain Doctor has examined the New York Giants' new quarterback. The prognosis: Eli Manning may become a good quarterback, make a Pro Bowl or two, but greatness will elude him, because his brain isn't wired like his brother Peyton's.

Gulp.

The diagnostician is Jonathan Niednagel. He works for the Boston Celtics and Denver Nuggets but can scout in any sport, because he does "brain typing." Niednagel claims that by studying a person's facial expressions, body movement and speech, he can determine the genetic design that influences his behavior and motor skills.

Once he knows which of the 16 brain types a player is, the Brain Doctor says he can predict his likelihood of succeeding. Eli's an ISFT (Introverted, Sensing, Feeling, Thinking).

"It's a good one," says Niednagel, adding it may be the fourth-best for quarterbacks. "But it's not the top one."

Some call it pseudoscience. Others swear by Niednagel.

He is known for foreseeing Ryan Leaf's fall. Working for the Chargers before the 1998 NFL draft, he observed Leaf and warned GM Bobby Beathard.

"He flat-out told us 'don't draft him,' " Beathard said.

Many of the best quarterbacks share the optimal brain type for QBs, ESTP (Extraversion, Sensing, Thinking, Perceiving), including Joe Montana, Dan Marino, John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Brett Favre, Joe Namath and Peyton Manning.

ISFT brain types process information slower than ESTPs.

Eli won't "think as well on his feet, won't see the field as well under pressure," Niednagel said, and is more likely "to short-circuit in the biggest of pressures and biggest of games."

bgsufalcon24 · Post by **bgsufalcon24** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 6:19 pm

Im_Full wrote:You're right in that he didn't play in a pro-style offense and he didn't take snaps from under center in college, but I think you're putting too much weight in that. One of the top prospects in the draft, Vince Young, played in a shotgun built around his strength....running. No one seems to care about that though because of his athleticism. Alex Smith played in a shotgun spread-option offense at Utah, but he went #1 overall anyway because everything else about him seemed perfect. Basically, it's obviously not an advantage over a guy like Matt Leinart that has, but if you have the gifts that the NFL is looking for in a QB, they are willing to work with QBs on transitioning to an NFL-style offense. Omar definently needs to make the most of the Combine though because as I type this, Charlie Whitehurst and Brodie Croyle have really made cases to move in ahead of him after Leinart, Young and Cutler.

I'm sorry, but Brodie Croyle is TERRIBLE. With him in there, Alabama scored what, 10 points a game? They had wins of 9-7 and 6-3 this year, and won their bowl 13-10. Alabama was good because of their defense, their offense was anemic. The ONLY reason Croyle is projected high is because he played at Alabama in a season where the Tide came back to relative prominence. That's it. If any team takes that guy over Omar or Whitehurst, they will severely regret it when he becomes the next Joey Harrington.

As for Omar's draft position, we know that Vince Young and Matt Leinart will go #2 and #3, probably Leinart at 2 to the Saints and Young #3 to the Titans. That leaves 6 teams that I think will be looking at quarterbacks beyond New Orleans and Tennessee.

6.Oakland Raiders - Collins sucks, Tuiasoppo is bad
10.Detroit Lions - Harrington's done, Garcia is a filler
11.Arizona Cardinals - Warner and McCown are okay, not sure if they are set on one of them though
13.Baltimore Ravens - Boller sucks, this team BADLY needs a QB
16.Miami Dolphins - Frerotte and Rosenfels benefitted from Linehan's offensive system, both are fillers
20.Kansas City Chiefs - Trent Green is about a year or two from retirement

Assuming that Jay Cutler is a first round selection to one of these teams, that leaves 5 teams left in the mix come 2nd round. Omar will likely go in round 2 to one of the 5 remaining teams, along with Croyle and Whitehurst.

svillefalcon · Post by **svillefalcon** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:04 pm

very good assesment...but remember 2 years ago a certain 6-10 team had the 11th pick and drafted the next great MAC qb, ben roethlisberger. then they go on to have a great first season with him going to the championship game, then the next year they win it all! dont think that the Cleveland Browns, yes i said it, CLEVELAND freaking BROWNS, couldnt do the same thing with the 12th pick in the draft...call me nuts but we could be seeing OMAR raising the VL trophy at superbowl XLII...in the owrds of JP in Angels in the Outfield..."hey, it could happen"

bgsufalcon24 · Post by **bgsufalcon24** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:44 pm

svillefalcon wrote:very good assesment...but remember 2 years ago a certain 6-10 team had the 11th pick and drafted the next great MAC qb, ben roethlisberger. then they go on to have a great first season with him going to the championship game, then the next year they win it all! dont think that the Cleveland Browns, yes i said it, CLEVELAND freaking BROWNS, couldnt do the same thing with the 12th pick in the draft...call me nuts but we could be seeing OMAR raising the VL trophy at superbowl XLII...in the owrds of JP in Angels in the Outfield..."hey, it could happen"

Well you wouldn't think the Browns would draft Omar since they already have Frye, but if Omar's out there in round 2 at #12, General Manager Phil Savage could definently go for it. You can never have too many options at QB.

svillefalcon · Post by **svillefalcon** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:45 pm

bgsufalcon24 wrote:
svillefalcon wrote:very good assesment...but remember 2 years ago a certain 6-10 team had the 11th pick and drafted the next great MAC qb, ben roethlisberger. then they go on to have a great first season with him going to the championship game, then the next year they win it all! dont think that the Cleveland Browns, yes i said it, CLEVELAND freaking BROWNS, couldnt do the same thing with the 12th pick in the draft...call me nuts but we could be seeing OMAR raising the VL trophy at superbowl XLII...in the owrds of JP in Angels in the Outfield..."hey, it could happen"
Well you wouldn't think the Browns would draft Omar since they already have Frye, but if Omar's out there in round 2 at #12, General Manager Phil Savage could definently go for it. You can never have too many options at QB.

i was thinking the same thing...its all about the dreads

fredthefalcon · Post by **fredthefalcon** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:51 am

bgsufalcon24 wrote:
Im_Full wrote:You're right in that he didn't play in a pro-style offense and he didn't take snaps from under center in college, but I think you're putting too much weight in that. One of the top prospects in the draft, Vince Young, played in a shotgun built around his strength....running. No one seems to care about that though because of his athleticism. Alex Smith played in a shotgun spread-option offense at Utah, but he went #1 overall anyway because everything else about him seemed perfect. Basically, it's obviously not an advantage over a guy like Matt Leinart that has, but if you have the gifts that the NFL is looking for in a QB, they are willing to work with QBs on transitioning to an NFL-style offense. Omar definently needs to make the most of the Combine though because as I type this, Charlie Whitehurst and Brodie Croyle have really made cases to move in ahead of him after Leinart, Young and Cutler.
I'm sorry, but Brodie Croyle is TERRIBLE. With him in there, Alabama scored what, 10 points a game? They had wins of 9-7 and 6-3 this year, and won their bowl 13-10. Alabama was good because of their defense, their offense was anemic. The ONLY reason Croyle is projected high is because he played at Alabama in a season where the Tide came back to relative prominence. That's it. If any team takes that guy over Omar or Whitehurst, they will severely regret it when he becomes the next Joey Harrington.

As for Omar's draft position, we know that Vince Young and Matt Leinart will go #2 and #3, probably Leinart at 2 to the Saints and Young #3 to the Titans. That leaves 6 teams that I think will be looking at quarterbacks beyond New Orleans and Tennessee.

6.Oakland Raiders - Collins sucks, Tuiasoppo is bad
10.Detroit Lions - Harrington's done, Garcia is a filler
Assuming that Jay Cutler is a first round selection to one of these teams, that leaves 5 teams left in the mix come 2nd round. Omar will likely go in round 2 to one of the 5 remaining teams, along with Croyle and Whitehurst.

I do not believe the Lions will draft a QB in the first two rounds. The new coach is a defensive guy and Mike Martz has made his living on picking QBs in later rounds, i.e. Marc Bulger. The have to address the OL and DBs first. Also, word is that Marinelli and Martz do not dislike Harrington. He may still be gone because of salary cap reasons but they will likely go with a veteran FA

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:01 pm

I think Harringtin gets one more shot this year. Rumor is that Millen wanted to hire a coach who thought Joey could be salvaged.

FWIW, Millen stated in an interview on WKRK that Harrington and Charles Rogers were both in the teams plans for next year.

dduncan · Post by **dduncan** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:50 am

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Well you wouldn't think the Browns would draft Omar since they already have Frye, but if Omar's out there in round 2 at #12, General Manager Phil Savage could definently go for it. You can never have too many options at QB.[/quote]

Now that's just stupid to believe that the Browns would take Omar in round 2. With all the needs that the Browns have, the least priority for them is the QB position. You make it sound like this is a pitching staff for a baseball team.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:20 pm

dduncan wrote:

Well you wouldn't think the Browns would draft Omar since they already have Frye, but if Omar's out there in round 2 at #12, General Manager Phil Savage could definently go for it. You can never have too many options at QB.[/quote]

Now that's just stupid to believe that the Browns would take Omar in round 2. With all the needs that the Browns have, the least priority for them is the QB position. You make it sound like this is a pitching staff for a baseball team.[/quote]

The Browns have many needs, basically every position on the football field, IMO. That includes QB where Frye looked decent, but nothing special. Still I was pretty high on Frye pre-draft, and I still think he'll become an adequate starter. He has the heart & desire to get good, if he works on his mechanics he could make a serviceable starter.

With a young guy in Frye and a vet in Dilfer I don't see the Browns taking a QB early in this draft unless a STUD (Leinart/Young) somehow drops to them at #12 (which is nearly inconceivable).

If Omar is there in the 3rd it'd be good value, but I cannot see them taking a QB in the first or second rounds. We need help at OL, DL, LB, WR, and RB. Still Savage is a BPA guy and doesn't base it on position needs. He takes player based on their value, not what position they play.

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:33 pm

hammb wrote:With a young guy in Frye and a vet in Dilfer I don't see the Browns taking a QB early in this draft unless a STUD (Leinart/Young) somehow drops to them at #12 (which is nearly inconceivable).

Sorry, couldn't resist.

dduncan · Post by **dduncan** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:46 pm

I guess it depends on how well the Browns like Jacobs. Personally, I can argue that the Browns could take every position (besides P and K) before QB in this year's draft. What type of message does this give Frye, who was the rookie of the week 3 of the last 6 weeks in the NFL?

Now, I'm not sure what the Browns do in the FA market. Do they resign Shelton, Bryant? What happens if they lose 1 of 2? They need to add either one via FA or draft. They also need an OLB, a SS, and a NT before even thinking of drafting a QB. I don't mind having someone push Frye, but by taking a QB before round 4 or 5 tells me they don't think Frye is their future QB.

The thinking of BPA is fine when you have depth at most of the important positions. The Browns have major needs at important defensive positions (NT and OLB) and I think Crennel will stress adding these players to Savage.

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:57 pm

Not sure if this is old news, but I read that Antonio Bryant will likely not be returning to the Browns.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:55 pm

1987alum wrote:Not sure if this is old news, but I read that Antonio Bryant will likely not be returning to the Browns.

I know, I know.

Right now the way it has been worded makes it sound as though Bryant's agent gave Savage a number that was way too high. So high that Savage didn't think he could negotiate down from there. Bryant wants to test FA and Savage said that he thinks that could be best for both him & the team. To me it made it sound as though he thinks Bryant will not see the type of money in FA that he wants, and then maybe we'll be able to negotiate with him.

Unfortunately there is absolutely no WR talent in this draft, and very little in FA. Reggie Wayne (who will be franchised) is the obvious #1 guy, and Bryant is probably #2 or #3 behind him. Bryant is no superstar, but he is a productive WR (top 20 in yards last year).

If we cannot somehow keep Bryant in the mix WR becomes a MAJOR hole for the Browns with Braylon coming off the injury (don't expect too much next year). Outside of him we have names like Northcutt, Frisman Jackson, and Josh Cribbs...a punt returner with little offensive skills followed by two former college QBs. Not real appealing to me.

The guy on the Browns board who helps them with a lot of scouting talked with the reporter from the official Browns website when they were at the Senior Bowl last month. He indicated that the Browns wouldn't be drafting a QB because he felt that they were secretly in love with Frye. Obviously not the greatest source in the world, but the guy does spend most of his days in the training facility/front offices.

I just cannot see them drafting a QB this year...too many other needs.