omar mentioned in espn chat today

[Buffalo Falcon]

Mel Kiper doesn't seem to high on Omar and his potential.

Jason (Cleveland, OH): Hey Mel, Where do you see Omar Jacobs from Bowling Green going? He's the next in a long line of great MAC QB's!

Mel Kiper: I don't agree with that. If you look at MAC QBs with Pennington, Leftwich, Roethlisberger. I'd be a little reluctant to put Jacobs in that group. He's closer to being like a Josh Harris, who hasn't emerged. He was a product of the offense. If you look at Jacobs, the delivery is a problem for me.

[BGDrew]

The guy is one of most accurate passers to have ever put on a college jersey and they're worried about how he gets it there. Unreal.

[Im_Full]

I think this is one of those times where Kiper has been too blinded by other prospects to fully analyze and give a fair assessment on a player, which is fine, but rather than knock Omar, he should have the courage to say "ya know, I really don't know" rather than make fase statements about him.

[CapitalFalcon]

Now hold on a second...A few months ago during football season, the vast majority of people on this board were talking about how Jacobs was no Harris. That of the two, Harris was the better QB. So needless to say, Harris and Jacobs are similar. Well...Harris made it into the NFL, he just couldn't stay there. Say what you want about the MAC not getting respect or how everyone's out to bash BG. But the truth of the matter is, Big Ben made it to the NFL, and in his second year, he has a SUper Bowl ring. Harris is not even in the league anymore...Or maybe he is. He's in and out so much I have lost track. Now this is nothing against Harris. I thought he was tremendous during his time here. The same with Omar. But once again, they are unknown quantities.

Now you can talk about how Omar was the most accurate passer to ever put on the uniform. Harris was lightening fast, but again. Who did we beat of any consequence? All I know is that Ben R. TORCHED a VERY GOOD Bowling Green squad, not once, but twice! Sure we racked up a lot of points when both of those kids were on the field, but nothing spectacular. There were no HUGE upsets, except for Purdue. We lost to OSU. We lost to Wisconsin. We lost to Boise State. If we would have beat Wisconsin and Boise this year, I think Omar would be sitting pretty. But I don't think he should have gone pro this year. I think if he would have stayed an additional year, and proven that he could dust himself off and have a year like 04 after a year like 05, he would have helped himself out a lot. But the risk is that you have an 06 like 05 again, which would hurt his draft chances even more, but then you would have to start considering does he even belong in the NFL.

That being said, I hope he gets drafted, makes it on a team, and does very well. That could only help our program. But right now, I don't see that happening.

[BGDrew]

I'd say he didn't do too bad against the #2 Oklahoma Sooners in 2004.

[Im_Full]

Now hold on a second...A few months ago during football season, the vast majority of people on this board were talking about how Jacobs was no Harris. That of the two, Harris was the better QB. So needless to say, Harris and Jacobs are similar. Well...Harris made it into the NFL, he just couldn't stay there. Say what you want about the MAC not getting respect or how everyone's out to bash BG. But the truth of the matter is, Big Ben made it to the NFL, and in his second year, he has a SUper Bowl ring. Harris is not even in the league anymore...Or maybe he is. He's in and out so much I have lost track. Now this is nothing against Harris. I thought he was tremendous during his time here. The same with Omar. But once again, they are unknown quantities.

Now you can talk about how Omar was the most accurate passer to ever put on the uniform. Harris was lightening fast, but again. Who did we beat of any consequence? All I know is that Ben R. TORCHED a VERY GOOD Bowling Green squad, not once, but twice! Sure we racked up a lot of points when both of those kids were on the field, but nothing spectacular. There were no HUGE upsets, except for Purdue. We lost to OSU. We lost to Wisconsin. We lost to Boise State. If we would have beat Wisconsin and Boise this year, I think Omar would be sitting pretty. But I don't think he should have gone pro this year. I think if he would have stayed an additional year, and proven that he could dust himself off and have a year like 04 after a year like 05, he would have helped himself out a lot. But the risk is that you have an 06 like 05 again, which would hurt his draft chances even more, but then you would have to start considering does he even belong in the NFL.

That being said, I hope he gets drafted, makes it on a team, and does very well. That could only help our program. But right now, I don't see that happening.

Woah, are you saying you don't think Omar will get drafted? That is completely off-base. Harris and Jacobs are two completely different players entering the NFL. Jacobs is a more prototypical NFL QB where Harris was more of an athlete playing QB. Provided he doesn't bomb at the Combine, expect Omar to go no later than the 3rd round. Surprisingly that may come as a shock to you.

[Sweets9]

I think Omar goes 4th round or later. And do you really want Mel Kiper to say "I really don't know" rather than give his opinion (which is much more credible than ours)?

Seriously, some of you need to take off the Brown & Orange glasses. I think Omar is a better QB prospect than Harris was, but let's look at a few things:

A -- he didn't really play the stiffest competition
B -- he has a weird delivery
C -- he's coming out early after a somewhat lukewarm season
D -- didn't play in a pro-style offense

Now I know some of you are going to bring up Phillip Rivers and Vince Young and whatnot with the deliveries, but those are big time players from major conferences. For a guy like Omar, who has a lot of question marks to begin with, the throwing delivery could make or break him.

I hope he goes early as hell, signs a fat contract and tears the NFL apart, I just don't think he will. Just my opinion, and apparently the same opinion as quite a few scouts. Let's also keep in mind, when Omar got his draft stock report back from the NFL, they had him in the middle rounds. Those guys are usually pretty accurate considering they do it for a living.

Now go ahead and rip me for not being a "REAL FALCON" because I posted my opinion.

[Im_Full]

I think Omar goes 4th round or later. And do you really want Mel Kiper to say "I really don't know" rather than give his opinion (which is much more credible than ours)?

Seriously, some of you need to take off the Brown & Orange glasses. I think Omar is a better QB prospect than Harris was, but let's look at a few things:

A -- he didn't really play the stiffest competition
B -- he has a weird delivery
C -- he's coming out early after a somewhat lukewarm season
D -- didn't play in a pro-style offense

Now I know some of you are going to bring up Phillip Rivers and Vince Young and whatnot with the deliveries, but those are big time players from major conferences. For a guy like Omar, who has a lot of question marks to begin with, the throwing delivery could make or break him.

I hope he goes early as hell, signs a fat contract and tears the NFL apart, I just don't think he will. Just my opinion, and apparently the same opinion as quite a few scouts. Let's also keep in mind, when Omar got his draft stock report back from the NFL, they had him in the middle rounds. Those guys are usually pretty accurate considering they do it for a living.

Now go ahead and rip me for not being a "REAL FALCON" because I posted my opinion.

If Omar goes 4th or lower, I'll crawl on broken glass to the city of the team that drafts him and kiss their GM's feet. Sure, that's about where his draft projection came back from the recommendation committee, but actually, they aren't really that accurate at all. They gave Antonio Cromartie a 3rd-4th round grade. Do you really think Antonio Cromartie is gonna last to the 3rd round? I'll crawl straight from Omar's new team over to Cromartie's and kiss that GM's feet too if he does. Now you brought up valid points against Omar, though I don't think they're the determining factor in his success at the next level, but more caution signs for scouts. And let me tell ya, if that 2005 season statistically was "lukewarm", I'm sure there are some envious Division I-A QBs out there of Omar's "lukewarm" season. As for Kiper, no, he obviously doesnt have to hurt his know-everything rep by saying "I don't know", but we also need to keep in mind that there are how many draft prospects in this draft? We can't expect Mel Kiper to know everything about everyone. He's human, and he's gonna be wrong on some guys. So basically Mel Kiper saying "Omar Jacobs is a bum" does not mean we should banish ourselves from Omar and consider him a lost cause, just cause it seems like Mel Kiper has.

[BGDrew]

A -- he didn't really play the stiffest competition
B -- he has a weird delivery
C -- he's coming out early after a somewhat lukewarm season
D -- didn't play in a pro-style offense

A -- What do you call Oklahoma and Wisconsin?
B -- Bernie Kosar
C -- The guy was injured for 3 of the games this season. Assuming he throws for 300/game for those he would have thrown for nearly 3400 yards (would have been good enough for top ten in the nation)
D -- He might have some learning to do as far as audibling goes, but let's not forget that he always had at least 4 WRs per play. Being able to check down wide receivers is a skill that's hard to teach at the pro level.

Matt Leinart will be a bust, mark my words.

[Im_Full]

Matt Leinart will be a bust, mark my words.

If he goes to New Orleans, I have to disagree with that. I think New Orleans has some pieces in place to help Leinart succeed, and it would be nothing like watching Alex Smith wallow in SF with no protection and no viable targets. Leinart gets a bad rap for not having a strong enough arm, but he did just fine at USC, so as long as you don't deviate too much from what he did at USC, I see no reason why he won't succeed in the NFL. He's a leader and a winner with top intangibles at the position and I don't see a better QB in this draft or the last.

[CapitalFalcon]

I'd say he didn't do too bad against the #2 Oklahoma Sooners in 2004.

I don't remember BG winning that game...

[CapitalFalcon]

Now hold on a second...A few months ago during football season, the vast majority of people on this board were talking about how Jacobs was no Harris. That of the two, Harris was the better QB. So needless to say, Harris and Jacobs are similar. Well...Harris made it into the NFL, he just couldn't stay there. Say what you want about the MAC not getting respect or how everyone's out to bash BG. But the truth of the matter is, Big Ben made it to the NFL, and in his second year, he has a SUper Bowl ring. Harris is not even in the league anymore...Or maybe he is. He's in and out so much I have lost track. Now this is nothing against Harris. I thought he was tremendous during his time here. The same with Omar. But once again, they are unknown quantities.

Now you can talk about how Omar was the most accurate passer to ever put on the uniform. Harris was lightening fast, but again. Who did we beat of any consequence? All I know is that Ben R. TORCHED a VERY GOOD Bowling Green squad, not once, but twice! Sure we racked up a lot of points when both of those kids were on the field, but nothing spectacular. There were no HUGE upsets, except for Purdue. We lost to OSU. We lost to Wisconsin. We lost to Boise State. If we would have beat Wisconsin and Boise this year, I think Omar would be sitting pretty. But I don't think he should have gone pro this year. I think if he would have stayed an additional year, and proven that he could dust himself off and have a year like 04 after a year like 05, he would have helped himself out a lot. But the risk is that you have an 06 like 05 again, which would hurt his draft chances even more, but then you would have to start considering does he even belong in the NFL.

That being said, I hope he gets drafted, makes it on a team, and does very well. That could only help our program. But right now, I don't see that happening.

Woah, are you saying you don't think Omar will get drafted? That is completely off-base. Harris and Jacobs are two completely different players entering the NFL. Jacobs is a more prototypical NFL QB where Harris was more of an athlete playing QB. Provided he doesn't bomb at the Combine, expect Omar to go no later than the 3rd round. Surprisingly that may come as a shock to you.

Sorry for the confusion. my comment of "I don't see that happening" was the fact of him making the team and doing well. I think he will get drafted. I just am not convinced he will make it (God do I hope I am wrong). But many of the same people that are saying Omar is going to do fantastic in the NFL were shown to be wrong and those same people thought that thought Harris was better than Rothlisberger. Again, one just won the Super Bowl, the other is not in the league any more.

[CapitalFalcon]

A -- he didn't really play the stiffest competition
B -- he has a weird delivery
C -- he's coming out early after a somewhat lukewarm season
D -- didn't play in a pro-style offense

A -- What do you call Oklahoma and Wisconsin?
B -- Bernie Kosar
C -- The guy was injured for 3 of the games this season. Assuming he throws for 300/game for those he would have thrown for nearly 3400 yards (would have been good enough for top ten in the nation)
D -- He might have some learning to do as far as audibling goes, but let's not forget that he always had at least 4 WRs per play. Being able to check down wide receivers is a skill that's hard to teach at the pro level.

Matt Leinart will be a bust, mark my words.

A -- I call them two losses...Son, close only counts in Horseshoes and Hand Grenades.
B -- Correct...A Solid QB, but I would not call him "Great." Plus, he faced very different competition playing for Miami (FL)
C -- Drew...You know what happens when you assume...
D -- Uh...OK...But I don't think anyone is going to draft a QB purely on that they can check down field for receivers.

[CapitalFalcon]

***Whoops, didn't mean to post twice***

[PGY Tiercel]

Sorry for the confusion. my comment of "I don't see that happening" was the fact of him making the team and doing well. I think he will get drafted. I just am not convinced he will make it (God do I hope I am wrong). But many of the same people that are saying Omar is going to do fantastic in the NFL were shown to be wrong and those same people thought that thought Harris was better than Rothlisberger. Again, one just won the Super Bowl, the other is not in the league any more.

Harris is still in the NFL. He has just recently signed a Futures Contract with the Giants, so he isn't completely out yet. Give him some more time, he'll win his super bowl.