I thought this was one of the best and most reasoned threads on homerboard.com. You introduced the drivel by castigating people for not being optimitic.Bleeding Orange wrote:All I am going to say is, and I think a lot of people are forgetting about this, if Charlie Frye who QB'ed an average (some would say below) Akron team and is getting a serious look as a starting QB in the NFL, then there is no reason that Omar shouldn't either.
Some of you really, really need to get a grip. After the 2004 season ALL OF YOU were saying that Omar was the next in the line of great MAC QB's, and now some of you, after a frustrating season, are questioning whether or not he will have success in the NFL, or worse - not get drafted at all? Are you f---ing kidding me? Get over yourselves. I am so sick and tired of the pointless, unsubstantiated negativity on this board that is constantly backed up by the lame-ass argument "well, I don't wear the Orange and Brown glasses" (referring to them as if there were only one pair...). Please. Most of you are either blowhards, or still frustrated from last season. Thats great if you can't help but feel that way, but don't make all BG fans look like reactionary morons by contributing your bloviating to this forum over, and over, and over again. People like Hammb can at least make a reasoned argument. Most of you can't. Why don't you try supporting your fellow alumni and at least pretend to be optomistic about their prospects.
While we're at it, if you idiots want to post this stuff, how about doing it in a single thread rather than clog the entire active part of the forum with all of this crap?
Damn.
omar mentioned in espn chat today
I haven't read most of this thread, I just wanted to make sure it was remembered that last year at this time I was the only one here who thought Frye was a better QB than OmarBleeding Orange wrote:All I am going to say is, and I think a lot of people are forgetting about this, if Charlie Frye who QB'ed an average (some would say below) Akron team and is getting a serious look as a starting QB in the NFL, then there is no reason that Omar shouldn't either.
Some of you really, really need to get a grip. After the 2004 season ALL OF YOU were saying that Omar was the next in the line of great MAC QB's
Omar is a fantastic specimen, but Frye has serious "It". I still think Omar will go about the same or maybe a round better than Frye, and I think both can become future starting QBs in the NFL. Omar has all the tools you'd ask for, but hasn't shown the leadership & intagibles so much yet. If he develops that part of his game he could be a star in the NFL.
It's easy to get pissed off about everything when coming off a season like last year's, but that doesn't change how Omar should be viewed. He was a very good QB here, and had one of the best seasons in NCAA history for a QB. Yes, his competition & offensive system made it look a little bloated, but he's still a great QB specimen, and will likely be taken in the first day of the draft. I have yet to see a mock draft that has him dropping beyond the 3rd round, many have him in the 2nd round.
As for having him ranked as the #2 QB. I think that's a little high, but you could definitely make a case for it. There is no doubt that VY is a project with his passing, even though he improved greatly this season. I'd still have VY #2, but that's just me. I'm all for controversy in draft rankings, I know I'd rank Omar ahead of everybody's suddenly favorite golden-boy Cutler.
I don't know if I'd say Charlie Frye has "serious it", because to me a QB with serious "it" is elite and in a class his own, in this year's I would say Leinart falls into that category for me, but no one else really. Last year absolutely no one had "it" for me. In Charlie's defense though, I thought he should have gone ahead of Aaron Rodgers, and I did think he was 2nd best QB in the draft behind Alex Smith.
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By "It" I meant the intangibles. The leadership, willingness to learn, ability to will a team towards victory, and make plays on his own in crunch time. Charlie had that at Akron.
Frye wasn't an elite college QB, but he had all the intangibles that you'd ever ask for, that's pretty much all I meant from my comment.
Frye wasn't an elite college QB, but he had all the intangibles that you'd ever ask for, that's pretty much all I meant from my comment.
I know this isn't a Charlie Frye thread, but other than the game vs. Pitt., I came away very impressed with how he ran the offense, the ability to make plays when things break down and toughness to take many hits/sacks. If given the right people around him (good OL, steady running game, reliable WRs), Frye has the chance to be just as good than Roethlisberger.
Hammb is right. Frye has those intangibles that some players either have or don't. I'm hoping to see that with Omar in the next few years.
Hammb is right. Frye has those intangibles that some players either have or don't. I'm hoping to see that with Omar in the next few years.
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Man...People get all riled up over things that has very little impact on their lives. If Omar is picked isn't the 1st round or the 6th round, how does that impact any of our lives? You will either be able to come onto this board and bask in the glory of knowing-it-all or you will eat crow. That's it. All I am saying is that everyone loves to talk about the future and guess what will happen, and that's great! But when people don't see eye to eye, there is no reason to go off and start insulting people's intelligence and resorting to personal attacks such as "Blowhards" "Reactionary morons" and "you idiots." You may be “sick and tired of the pointless, unsubstantiated negativity” but what gives you any more right to espouse pointless, unsubstantiated positive comments?
Forgot to put this in my last post. Here's everybody's buddy Mel with him as a second day pick:It's easy to get pissed off about everything when coming off a season like last year's, but that doesn't change how Omar should be viewed. He was a very good QB here, and had one of the best seasons in NCAA history for a QB. Yes, his competition & offensive system made it look a little bloated, but he's still a great QB specimen, and will likely be taken in the first day of the draft. I have yet to see a mock draft that has him dropping beyond the 3rd round, many have him in the 2nd round.
Personally, I still think he is a 3rd/4th round pick. But Omar needs to seperate from Croyle and Whitehurst. He needs to show scouts that he can drop back from center and have good footwork and still show the accuracy, something Croyle and Whitehurst already have experience in. This is something Josh Harris didn't do consistently at the Senior Bowl, etc..Where do you think Bowling Green QB Omar Jacobs could land? Could the Jets pick him up in the 3rd or 4th round? -- Bill, Wantagh, N.Y.
He's been a very difficult evaluation for me. His passing numbers were excellent at Bowling Green, although they dropped off last year. He was in an ideal system, but doesn't have a text book release. You could say the same thing about Vince Young, but he is a far superior athlete. Jacobs projects as a second-day pick.
Josh Harris was Bowling Green's QB before Jacobs. He threw for a ton of yards and was very successful in college, but Harris has yet to establish himself in the NFL.
So now we're blowhards and idiots for posting reasons why we don't think Omar is going to go early? What's wrong with differing opinions? I gave my and backed them up with reasons why I think Omar will go 4th round or later.
Why can't you simply respect that opinion and give your own reasons why you think he will go early, rather than bash people and take the low road?
I support Omar and MOST other BGSU alum no matter what they do in the NFL or whatever, that doesn't mean I have to pretend he's the #2 QB on the board.
The thing I'll say about Frye is similar to what Hammb said. He has always had "IT." Frye looked very good at the combine and always looked good with mediocre talent around him at Akron. He ran an offense that was pretty much a modified pro-style and that certainly helped him (much like Big Ben at Miami). Frye has pretty solid mechanics as well.
As far as the comment that everyone though Omar would be a first rounder after his superb sophomore season...I actually did not. I told my buddy that he would not go earlier than the 2nd round at that time. He bet me Omar would go before Vince Young.
Just my opinions.
Why can't you simply respect that opinion and give your own reasons why you think he will go early, rather than bash people and take the low road?
I support Omar and MOST other BGSU alum no matter what they do in the NFL or whatever, that doesn't mean I have to pretend he's the #2 QB on the board.
The thing I'll say about Frye is similar to what Hammb said. He has always had "IT." Frye looked very good at the combine and always looked good with mediocre talent around him at Akron. He ran an offense that was pretty much a modified pro-style and that certainly helped him (much like Big Ben at Miami). Frye has pretty solid mechanics as well.
As far as the comment that everyone though Omar would be a first rounder after his superb sophomore season...I actually did not. I told my buddy that he would not go earlier than the 2nd round at that time. He bet me Omar would go before Vince Young.
Just my opinions.
Very well said. I hope that just because I think some people are a little wrong with projecting Omar as the #2 QB, doesn't mean that I want only the best for him and his family.So now we're blowhards and idiots for posting reasons why we don't think Omar is going to go early? What's wrong with differing opinions? I gave my and backed them up with reasons why I think Omar will go 4th round or later.
Why can't you simply respect that opinion and give your own reasons why you think he will go early, rather than bash people and take the low road?
I support Omar and MOST other BGSU alum no matter what they do in the NFL or whatever, that doesn't mean I have to pretend he's the #2 QB on the board.
The thing I'll say about Frye is similar to what Hammb said. He has always had "IT." Frye looked very good at the combine and always looked good with mediocre talent around him at Akron. He ran an offense that was pretty much a modified pro-style and that certainly helped him (much like Big Ben at Miami). Frye has pretty solid mechanics as well.
As far as the comment that everyone though Omar would be a first rounder after his superb sophomore season...I actually did not. I told my buddy that he would not go earlier than the 2nd round at that time. He bet me Omar would go before Vince Young.
Just my opinions.
I was born in BG, went to high school there. Went to college at BG. There's nothing better than rooting for players that made it in pro's, even if it was Brian McClure, the scab, or rooting for Nelson Emerson or Rob Blake in the NHL.
I give my honest opinion.
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To throw another variable into this discussion, one of the reasons Sean Hakes picked Akron over us was their offense. Brookhart was able to sell him on the notion that they played a style of offense more suitbale for preparing him for the NFL.
Given the talent level that we seem to be drawing here, is it time to leave the spread behind in favor of an offense that blends elements of a pro style attack with our more simplistic attack.
Terry Malone just left Michigan. One of the criticisms of him was that his offense lacked the flair that teams running the spread show. Do we need to go in the opposite direction and meld some more conservative, traditional elements into our offense?
I suppose this question should be a thread unto itself....but I don't want to cut and paste it into one because I'm lazy.
Given the talent level that we seem to be drawing here, is it time to leave the spread behind in favor of an offense that blends elements of a pro style attack with our more simplistic attack.
Terry Malone just left Michigan. One of the criticisms of him was that his offense lacked the flair that teams running the spread show. Do we need to go in the opposite direction and meld some more conservative, traditional elements into our offense?
I suppose this question should be a thread unto itself....but I don't want to cut and paste it into one because I'm lazy.
Hey, "some people" is right here, and I think I explained myself fully on why I prefer Omar to some others. Alot of opinions are close-minded that I'm seeing, and even that of Mel Kiper. Rather than casting the subject of Omar aside and lumping him with Josh Harris, why would he not state the obvious differences between Harris and Jacobs projecting to the NFL? Because there are differences. I just think Omar is a guy Kiper doesn't really like because he hasn't seen alot of him, and he's still on a high from watching Senior Bowl week, and therefore isn't giving an accurate read on him, and probably will look stupid if he ends up going in the 2nd round. Remember that quote from Kiper though if on draft day Omar goes much higher than he predicted and he starts spouting off about how great he suddenly is.
Here are the facts as we know them right now, and my personal rankings have ZERO to do with this because I'm not an NFL scout or GM. Matt Leinart, Vince Young and Jay Cutler are the top 3 QBs in the draft, and they will all be 1st round picks. After that, you have a muddy 2nd tier of QBs, with Omar right in the thick of it, along with Charlie Whitehurst and Brodie Croyle. What you will also have is teams looking for a young QB that missed out on one of the top 3 in the 1st round, and want to cash in later with someone else. That's where these 3 come in, and it's next to impossible right now to say that Omar will go ahead of Whitehurst or Croyle or even that Croyle or Whitehurst will go ahead of Omar because it comes down to personal preference with teams at that point. But......but......what we can say is that with QBs sure to go in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, it's safe to say that being in the top 5 or 6 QBs, Omar has an excellent shot of being a 2nd or 3rd round pick, and in order for him to drop to the 4th round or lower he has to A.) bomb at the Combine and in workouts or B.) someone totally unforeseen has to come out of nowhere to work themselves into this spoken area, and possibly knock Omar down. But you can make all the predictions that you think will happen that you want, but those are the facts right now about these QBs, and if you read up a little bit on it, you'll see that.
Here are the facts as we know them right now, and my personal rankings have ZERO to do with this because I'm not an NFL scout or GM. Matt Leinart, Vince Young and Jay Cutler are the top 3 QBs in the draft, and they will all be 1st round picks. After that, you have a muddy 2nd tier of QBs, with Omar right in the thick of it, along with Charlie Whitehurst and Brodie Croyle. What you will also have is teams looking for a young QB that missed out on one of the top 3 in the 1st round, and want to cash in later with someone else. That's where these 3 come in, and it's next to impossible right now to say that Omar will go ahead of Whitehurst or Croyle or even that Croyle or Whitehurst will go ahead of Omar because it comes down to personal preference with teams at that point. But......but......what we can say is that with QBs sure to go in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, it's safe to say that being in the top 5 or 6 QBs, Omar has an excellent shot of being a 2nd or 3rd round pick, and in order for him to drop to the 4th round or lower he has to A.) bomb at the Combine and in workouts or B.) someone totally unforeseen has to come out of nowhere to work themselves into this spoken area, and possibly knock Omar down. But you can make all the predictions that you think will happen that you want, but those are the facts right now about these QBs, and if you read up a little bit on it, you'll see that.
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Im_Full, please do not judge the majority of BG fans based on the garbage that a few are spewing in here. It has been really cool to have you around this year and watch you become a fan. I don't know where most of this crap is coming from, honestly, and it is not normal. Some people just don't give a s**t apparently.
I just hope that you will be a BG fan for a long, long time despite this stuff.
I just hope that you will be a BG fan for a long, long time despite this stuff.
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It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work - work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it. ~Ronald Reagan
It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work - work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it. ~Ronald Reagan
This is quite laughable...Im_Full, please do not judge the majority of BG fans based on the garbage that a few are spewing in here. It has been really cool to have you around this year and watch you become a fan. I don't know where most of this crap is coming from, honestly, and it is not normal. Some people just don't give a s**t apparently.
I just hope that you will be a BG fan for a long, long time despite this stuff.
Thanks, I appreciate the kind comments. Some of the comments have blindsided me, but oh well, those things happen. No forum is perfect. I wish I could get into more BG discussions, but not being a student or a longtime fan or anything, I'm limited in my knowledge of BG. But Omar has definently opened my eyes alot more to BG, and there are certainly prospects for the future that I have my eye on, like Kory Lichtensteiger, Antonio Smith and Terrill Mayberry, or anyone else you guys think could be really good players down the line. Because as BG fans, you know more about BG than I do. I don't want the fact that I put up a draft website and posted to see if anyone was interested in it to come off as that I think I know more than you guys. I think I know alot about Omar and other prospects this year, but you guys always know better as fans. I've had fun here so thanks to many for being cordial to me even though I really came on here as an outsider.Bleeding Orange wrote:Im_Full, please do not judge the majority of BG fans based on the garbage that a few are spewing in here. It has been really cool to have you around this year and watch you become a fan. I don't know where most of this crap is coming from, honestly, and it is not normal. Some people just don't give a s**t apparently.
I just hope that you will be a BG fan for a long, long time despite this stuff.
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He had VERY limited playing time last year but looked very good when he did get in, but Diryall Briggs might be a name to watch for the future. He played a pass rushing LB/DE this year and got some big sacks towards the end of the season.Im_Full wrote:, or anyone else you guys think could be really good players down the line. Because as BG fans, you know more about BG than I do.
He's got the right size & pass rush moves to be a future prospect for a 3-4 OLB pass rushing specialist. Obviously pretty high praise for a RS FR that only played sparingly at the end of the season, but he was VERY impressive in that time.
