Like I said, I never attacked you. Simply gave my opinion, much like you did on your site.Im_Full wrote: I did get you slightly mixed up with the other guy, but regardless, you really took the torch from him and came after with your prior post anyway.
Sweets9 wrote:Like I said, I never attacked you. Simply gave my opinion, much like you did on your site.Im_Full wrote: I did get you slightly mixed up with the other guy, but regardless, you really took the torch from him and came after with your prior post anyway.
Since Ginn was brought up, what do you think of his pro potential next year or the year after, whenever he comes out?
6'0 is fine if that is an accurate measurement on him, but at 6'0, 175 is a tad light, so maybe a little bit in the upper body to be able to fight jams and fight off tackles, but with his speed, I wouldn't gain too much because guys like Steve Smith and Santana Moss showed this year that speed kills, so I expect to see fast WRs like Santonio Holmes, Chad Jackson and Sinorice Moss to go off the board before bigger guys like Derek Hagan or Martin Nance.hammb wrote:Pretty good assessment on Ginn. I do think he'd be better at CB, but with his athleticism he can play WR as well. He needs to add some muscle if he wants to be a WR though...he's very small, and cannot outmuscle anyone.
He doesn't always play to his ability though. He tries to use his speed too much and his route running suffers. When he runs crisp routes (see bowl game) he can be unstoppable.
As a PR/KR he's a beast.
A couple things I don't like about Ginn is the size, like you said. He's listed at 6'0, 175. Those long skinny legs make him look smaller. Strength off the line is a concern. I'm not sure he has very good hands. It's either a concentration issue or his hands are small. Not sure. Those drops on the 2 punts during the Michigan game is a little concerning. But it's only 1 game.Pretty good assessment on Ginn. I do think he'd be better at CB, but with his athleticism he can play WR as well. He needs to add some muscle if he wants to be a WR though...he's very small, and cannot outmuscle anyone.
He doesn't always play to his ability though. He tries to use his speed too much and his route running suffers. When he runs crisp routes (see bowl game) he can be unstoppable.
As a PR/KR he's a beast.
Woody Hayes was a sociopath!bgsuman wrote:woah, 4 straight posts about OSU and not a single flame......Is everyone feeling alright?
im sorry other than Ohio State and texas tech and USC, VY didnt play against anybody worth a damn. SAame with Omar except for @Wisconsin, and @Boise State, so i mean nither really played against tough comepetiton and VY had much better players around him, this sint a diss on Cuck or Steve and PJ but VY had the best OL in college football. you put VY on BG, he doesnt do any better than OMAR, you put OMAR on that texas team they had last year and they still go to the National title game, but VY performance in taht game is the reason why they won, ill give him that much. Mark my words, Omar WILL be the better NFL quarterback.Sweets9 wrote:Omar -- shotgun offense, can't go shotgun ever down in the NFLIm_Full wrote:With Vince Young I believe, and others also believe, that there is more than meets the eye. He played in a shotgun offense at Texas tailored to his strengths. Basically, running. You can't devise an offense in the NFL where your QB runs out of the shotgun 20 times a game or he'll get slaughtered. His passing seems to have improved but that can also be a product of his WRs growing from year to year as well. His passes still seemed to flutter, and his mechanics are still terrible.
Omar -- terrible mechanics
Omar -- receivers improved
Much of the same can be said that you used for Vince.
Vince put up sick stats this year against some pretty damn tough competition and won a title:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/pr ... rId=135107
I'm glad you're such a big Omar supporter. You know what's coming next....But,im sorry other than Ohio State and texas tech and USC, VY didnt play against anybody worth a damn. SAame with Omar except for @Wisconsin, and @Boise State, so i mean nither really played against tough comepetiton and VY had much better players around him, this sint a diss on Cuck or Steve and PJ but VY had the best OL in college football. you put VY on BG, he doesnt do any better than OMAR, you put OMAR on that texas team they had last year and they still go to the National title game, but VY performance in taht game is the reason why they won, ill give him that much. Mark my words, Omar WILL be the better NFL quarterback.
Apparently you're one of them.dduncan wrote:I'm glad you're such a big Omar supporter. You know what's coming next....But,im sorry other than Ohio State and texas tech and USC, VY didnt play against anybody worth a damn. SAame with Omar except for @Wisconsin, and @Boise State, so i mean nither really played against tough comepetiton and VY had much better players around him, this sint a diss on Cuck or Steve and PJ but VY had the best OL in college football. you put VY on BG, he doesnt do any better than OMAR, you put OMAR on that texas team they had last year and they still go to the National title game, but VY performance in taht game is the reason why they won, ill give him that much. Mark my words, Omar WILL be the better NFL quarterback.
Nah, VY didn't play against tough competition. Only against a team that will produce 2 LBs in the first round and potentially 2 DBs in the first round. Then another 2 players drafted in the later rounds. All of this, while playing in Columbus, in prime time. I don't even need to say how impressive the final game was, against some good athletes. Nobody seems to realize that Young has improved at such a high rate, in almost all aspects. The biggest, besides showing that he can make all the throws? The poise and ability to win the big games. Going back to the 2005 Rose Bowl, Young started to show the ability to make plays when the team needed them the most. It obviously carried over the year towards a National Championship.
Some people here are just blind.
You should see the remainder of our rankings, or at least a good portion of them, up later today as well. Neither of us are high on Drew Olsen. I think he is highly overrated by some, and basically benefitted from defenses keying on Maurice Drew. He had a mostly unspectacular college career, and he didn't rank in my top 15. He is in my top 20, but not among the 15. I think you're looking at a career backup in the mold of Sage Rosenfels, minus the 2 or 3 statistically acceptable games Rosenfels has put up over 5 years.dduncan wrote:I see some of your rankings up. Congrats. I thought it was strange to see Drew Olsen not on either of your top 15 QBs. Is there a reason why?
Well first of all, and we're putting a disclaimer up about this, our rankings are in no way a projection of where we think these players will be drafted. We might rate a player that will go in the 4th 5th round in the 7th round range, but that doesnt change where they will be drafted. The rankings are just personal preference. I do think Olsen will be drafted in the later rounds because he does have potential to be a suitable backup. My rankings just mean that there are 15 or more QBs that I like more.dduncan wrote:Do you think he will be drafted? I guess the only reason why I ask that, is because if you see him being drafted and being a career backup, which is probably right, do you project over 15 QBs to be drafted?
Thing about Ginn. It was his FIRST year ever to start as a WR. He had never played the position before, he didnt fully understand it. He would not run to the ball on busted plays. He lacked concentration, he tried to hard to live up to the hype he had created as a PR and KR his freshman year.dduncan wrote:A couple things I don't like about Ginn is the size, like you said. He's listed at 6'0, 175. Those long skinny legs make him look smaller. Strength off the line is a concern. I'm not sure he has very good hands. It's either a concentration issue or his hands are small. Not sure. Those drops on the 2 punts during the Michigan game is a little concerning. But it's only 1 game.Pretty good assessment on Ginn. I do think he'd be better at CB, but with his athleticism he can play WR as well. He needs to add some muscle if he wants to be a WR though...he's very small, and cannot outmuscle anyone.
He doesn't always play to his ability though. He tries to use his speed too much and his route running suffers. When he runs crisp routes (see bowl game) he can be unstoppable.
As a PR/KR he's a beast.
