Realization!/Rationalization?

ziggityboom · Post by **ziggityboom** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 6:08 pm

dunno, but my understanding is that the assistant coaches do the vast majority of recruiting and that bringing in a recruit to meet the current players and the good attention of the assistant coaches is what gets players into the program. Good team chemistry trumps talent and no chemistry most of the time. It's not an easy task. Miami proves that this year. BG in reality is a young team and young teams struggle ie OSU which is also a young team. There is a load of talent in the BG sophomore class and the freshman class. Hopefully there is good stuff coming in. Don't worry about leadership, therre is plenty in these two classes, and best of all, they are really great people.

PS, just watched Spratt play in Fairbanks and he was fantastic.

svillefalcon · Post by **svillefalcon** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 6:08 pm

im just shocked that after the six game win streak we were all speculating where we could be at the end of the year, and now look...second last in the ccha??? whats up with that???

BGFan · Post by **BGFan** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 6:44 pm

dannyk wrote:
If you look at recruiting many of the top players come out of the US under 17 and 18 teams. I dont think we have ever gotten one of these players in the 10 or so years this program has existed. While Michigan, Minnesota's rosters are littered with these players as well as many other teams.

Have you ever looked at the banners in the ice arena? The national championship was won in 1984. 22 years ago. The program started in the late 60's....you need to get your facts straight if you want anyone to take you seriously. Many players from the USDPT teams play in the juniors before playing in the NCAA so it's hard to tell who has and who hasn't played on them unless you do the research. FYI we have a goalie coming in 2007 who is currently on the Under 17 team. He's from Toledo and was key in winning a championship for them in Europe.

So, Puckhead, are you trying to alienate yourself from the coaches? Paluch can only do so much from the bench....the rest has to come from within the players. I wouldn't take too much stock in what you "hear" from other people who are speaking more from emotion than anything else....if you know what I mean.

Bleeding Orange · Post by **Bleeding Orange** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:45 pm

dannyk wrote:I think that leadership may be somewhat of a problem, but more inportant is the fact that this team will never be in the top 3 or 4 of the ccha with avg goaltending. This goes for ferris, western, as well. We barely got home ice last year with the best goaile in the nation. I just think that some of you guys might have too high of expextations. (not that it is a bad thing) We are never going to be able to recruit evenly against UM, MSU, OSU etc. I think that we should have maybe a win or two more in conference, but at the same time we have stolen a few games, so it all evens out.

If you look at recruiting many of the top players come out of the US under 17 and 18 teams. I dont think we have ever gotten one of these players in the 10 or so years this program has existed. While Michigan, Minnesota's rosters are littered with these players as well as many other teams.

Im not saying you cant be successful if you dont get any of these kids it just is a barometer to measure top recruting.

Last rant and Im done- We keep saying Pooch is a great recruiter.Which I think he is. If this is true I guess every other ccha coach is better than great, which on a traditional rating system leaves us at below average

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dannyk · Post by **dannyk** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:54 am

Yes Josh Unice is a goaltender on the U-17 team who has committed to BG. This is great news for us with our current goaltending situation.

Almost all U18 team players go straight to DI, 15-20% of U17 team players move up to the U18 team or play another of juniors in the USHL.

I would still think that this might be the first player we have gotten from this program. I hope someone can prove me wrong.

Either way this is a step in the right direction.

bc ziggy 58 · Post by **bc ziggy 58** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:20 am

ziggityboom wrote:dunno, but my understanding is that the assistant coaches do the vast majority of recruiting and that bringing in a recruit to meet the current players and the good attention of the assistant coaches is what gets players into the program. Good team chemistry trumps talent and no chemistry most of the time. It's not an easy task. Miami proves that this year. BG in reality is a young team and young teams struggle ie OSU which is also a young team. There is a load of talent in the BG sophomore class and the freshman class. Hopefully there is good stuff coming in. Don't worry about leadership, therre is plenty in these two classes, and best of all, they are really great people.
PS, just watched Spratt play in Fairbanks and he was fantastic.

Z-boom, gotta respond to one of your points....."load of talent.....". Sophmore class, without a doubt!! Freshman class, ???Brandon is legit, Kevin has the potential, Jimmy, way to up and down. The rest???

Other than that, good post.

BGFan · Post by **BGFan** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:57 am

bc ziggy 58 wrote:
ziggityboom wrote:dunno, but my understanding is that the assistant coaches do the vast majority of recruiting and that bringing in a recruit to meet the current players and the good attention of the assistant coaches is what gets players into the program. Good team chemistry trumps talent and no chemistry most of the time. It's not an easy task. Miami proves that this year. BG in reality is a young team and young teams struggle ie OSU which is also a young team. There is a load of talent in the BG sophomore class and the freshman class. Hopefully there is good stuff coming in. Don't worry about leadership, therre is plenty in these two classes, and best of all, they are really great people.
PS, just watched Spratt play in Fairbanks and he was fantastic.
Z-boom, gotta respond to one of your points....."load of talent.....". Sophmore class, without a doubt!! Freshman class, ???Brandon is legit, Kevin has the potential, Jimmy, way to up and down. The rest???

Other than that, good post.

You may or may not remember this, but the first time I saw Siggy in net his freshman year I was underwhelmed. He looked shaky and slow and in way over his head. Give Spratt a chance...he's a true freshman and played extremely well in net Saturday night. I think you may be surprised in the next couple of years.

bc ziggy 58 · Post by **bc ziggy 58** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:54 pm

Believe me, BGFan, I truly hope I am. Going back to the WMU game we saw in K-Zoo, I know Jimmy can do it, IF he wants to and IF the D-corp decides to give him the support he needs.

ziggityboom · Post by **ziggityboom** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 2:05 pm

I do believe Nesdill played one year for the USNDT and then went to the USHL, but he's still Developing, hahahaha. Sorry Mike, luv ya.
Re Frosh talent, Svendson proven, Schmidt is excellent, just needs conditioning and weight training. Bales hasn't been able to show you his stuff, but he is very good. Spratt will prove to be one of the best in CCHA. That's not a bad group. Paluch personally went to Chilliwack to recruit a goalie! Chilliwack is always one of the top teams in the BCHL so he must be good. Keep the fingers crossed on this one.

pdt1081 · Post by **pdt1081** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:06 pm

ziggityboom wrote:I do believe Nesdill played one year for the USNDT and then went to the USHL, but he's still Developing, hahahaha. Sorry Mike, luv ya.
Re Frosh talent, Svendson proven, Schmidt is excellent, just needs conditioning and weight training. Bales hasn't been able to show you his stuff, but he is very good. Spratt will prove to be one of the best in CCHA. That's not a bad group. Paluch personally went to Chilliwack to recruit a goalie! Chilliwack is always one of the top teams in the BCHL so he must be good. Keep the fingers crossed on this one.

I hate to say it, but it wouldn't suprise me if Bales didn't return next year. Being in trouble at the beginning of the season and then becoming ineligible usually doesn't spell return.

bc ziggy 58 · Post by **bc ziggy 58** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:10 am

I guess I could have added this thought to a more recent thread, nah, I just wanted to revive mine.

The Mrs. recently started attending Falcon hockey games (see salutation below -

) and she made a VERY interesting comment, question after the second period of last night's game. She looked at me and asked:

"Why doesn't the guy with the C on his jersey stand by the gate and give everybody an atta boy after every period? Why is it # 11 that always does it?"

I answered - "Leadership, my dear". That's all I could say. Hopefully, looking forward to next year, that's all that needs to be said.

Ps. Freak, she now knows that I am not alone in my passion for BGSU
sports. You too FF.

Ps.2 The games we have attended together - Falcons are 2-0-1. Anybody want to help with contributions for season tickets?

Red Wing Fan · Post by **Red Wing Fan** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 3:05 pm

I thought Spratt looked good last night. Leadership seems to be the biggest problem. This is the last year for Buddy Power's recruits to be playing - next year will be all Paluch's players. I look for us to start drastically improving then - and becoming a lot more consistant. We would have been better this year if Jonathan Sigalett would have returned, too.
I've had season tickets since '83 and I'm not ready to give them up next year. The potential is there.

The Niz · Post by **The Niz** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 3:24 pm

For goodness sakes, can we get some damn speed on this team. I havn't seen us beat someone going down the ice once this year.

Red Wing Fan · Post by **Red Wing Fan** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 3:34 pm

Good point on the lack of speed!!! Remember Brian Holzinger and Nelson Emerson leaving them all in a " cloud of dust " and scoring???? That was great -

The Niz · Post by **The Niz** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:31 pm

I wish I could remember Holzinger and Emerson, unfortunately that's a little before my time. I'm relatively new to the sport, but even I can see that we can't match up going down the ice with anyone we play.