The saddest part about all of this is.........

[BleedOrange]

The basketball program right now just isn't any fun to follow.

The season isn't over. We lost a player that disliked the coach. That's a bad influence on the team...especially since it's a senior. Everyone stop complaining (although it seems like it's what 75%+ of you do the best) and support them through the rest of the season. This is male cow doo-doo. There is like 19 threads about how the team is falling apart and Steve leaving. I know, it's so hard to keep it all in one because God forbid, someone might not read your paragraph opinion that changes every 5 minutes.

You all call yourself fans and all you do is complain about every little thing you think you understand. You aren't the coaches, you aren't the players...until everyone is, I don't see why everyone thinks they seem to know what's best for the program.

You're right. We know nothing, aren't the players or coaches, and don't have access to Krebs inner thoughts. This is all that we should want to say or read here:

"RAH RAH RAH! Go team GO. Go team GO. Samarco's a great shooter! Wow, look at Dakich yell at those bad refs. RAH RAH RAH! We sure did hustle on defense during those two home losses! Mawel sure did get in Dru Joyce's head at Akron! GO team, GO!"

Better yet, just close down the forum.

Sarcasm aside, with the current state of our baskeball program, you should plan on seeing plenty more bitching. Get over it. There is a lot to bitch about. I'm not sure what you would realistically expect to read out here these days.

Better yet Metz, rather than fuzzy-headed admonishments, why don't you set an example and write something substantive and positive?

[always a falcon]

The basketball program right now just isn't any fun to follow.

The season isn't over. We lost a player that disliked the coach. That's a bad influence on the team...especially since it's a senior. Everyone stop complaining (although it seems like it's what 75%+ of you do the best) and support them through the rest of the season. This is male cow doo-doo. There is like 19 threads about how the team is falling apart and Steve leaving. I know, it's so hard to keep it all in one because God forbid, someone might not read your paragraph opinion that changes every 5 minutes.

You all call yourself fans and all you do is complain about every little thing you think you understand. You aren't the coaches, you aren't the players...until everyone is, I don't see why everyone thinks they seem to know what's best for the program.

You're right. We know nothing, aren't the players or coaches, and don't have access to Krebs inner thoughts. This is all that we should want to say or read here:

"RAH RAH RAH! Go team GO. Go team GO. Samarco's a great shooter! Wow, look at Dakich yell at those bad refs. RAH RAH RAH! We sure did hustle on defense during those two home losses! Mawel sure did get in Dru Joyce's head at Akron! GO team, GO!"

Better yet, just close down the forum.

Sarcasm aside, with the current state of our baskeball program, you should plan on seeing plenty more bitching. Get over it. There is a lot to bitch about. I'm not sure what you would realistically expect to read out here these days.

Better yet Metz, rather than fuzzy-headed admonishments, why don't you set an example and write something substantive and positive?

I rather thought he did.

[BleedOrange]

The basketball program right now just isn't any fun to follow.

The season isn't over. We lost a player that disliked the coach. That's a bad influence on the team...especially since it's a senior. Everyone stop complaining (although it seems like it's what 75%+ of you do the best) and support them through the rest of the season. This is male cow doo-doo. There is like 19 threads about how the team is falling apart and Steve leaving. I know, it's so hard to keep it all in one because God forbid, someone might not read your paragraph opinion that changes every 5 minutes.

You all call yourself fans and all you do is complain about every little thing you think you understand. You aren't the coaches, you aren't the players...until everyone is, I don't see why everyone thinks they seem to know what's best for the program.

You're right. We know nothing, aren't the players or coaches, and don't have access to Krebs inner thoughts. This is all that we should want to say or read here:

"RAH RAH RAH! Go team GO. Go team GO. Samarco's a great shooter! Wow, look at Dakich yell at those bad refs. RAH RAH RAH! We sure did hustle on defense during those two home losses! Mawel sure did get in Dru Joyce's head at Akron! GO team, GO!"

Better yet, just close down the forum.

Sarcasm aside, with the current state of our baskeball program, you should plan on seeing plenty more bitching. Get over it. There is a lot to bitch about. I'm not sure what you would realistically expect to read out here these days.

Better yet Metz, rather than fuzzy-headed admonishments, why don't you set an example and write something substantive and positive?

I rather thought he did.

Heh?

[HoustonFalcon]

Ok, let me put a thought in here. I think that I have a good insight into how the team MIGHT play the rest of the year. Something good really might come of this. I know that there is alot of complaining that we can't keep kids in the program before the season starts. But what about when a kid leaves during the season. That might be a little blessing in disguise. I had a situation after the first semester where we had turmoil. We had quite a few kids not eligible for this semester. That didn't hurt us as much, those kids weren't the type of kid that was giving us her all every night out. And because of that, we had another girl quit because she was selfish and didn't want to lose. She was always a me first type of girl, with talent. From what I'm hearing, just like Wright when it comes to the team. But you know what, we are a better TEAM right now because of her leaving. She played two games with us after all this, and it wasn't any good for anyone. She was always complaining about something, and bringing a negative influence to our freshman. But you know what has happened now, my freshman are seeing more playing time, and really contributing to the cause. If I just had one more post player, we would be in the top 3 of the conference. And we are doing this with only 6 kids. So I think that MAYBE this will give the younger kids a chance to see more time, and MAYBE they will contribute enough to help us win a couple of games. I also think that team unity might go up now that the negative influence is gone. That is just what I think COULD happen, I don't know if it WILL though.

[orangeandbrown]

Everytime someone leaves it is positoned as a good thing. It has not worked out that way. (Response to entire thread, not Houston Falcon).

[commonsense]

Ok, let me put a thought in here. I think that I have a good insight into how the team MIGHT play the rest of the year. Something good really might come of this. I know that there is alot of complaining that we can't keep kids in the program before the season starts. But what about when a kid leaves during the season. That might be a little blessing in disguise. I had a situation after the first semester where we had turmoil. We had quite a few kids not eligible for this semester. That didn't hurt us as much, those kids weren't the type of kid that was giving us her all every night out. And because of that, we had another girl quit because she was selfish and didn't want to lose. She was always a me first type of girl, with talent. From what I'm hearing, just like Wright when it comes to the team. But you know what, we are a better TEAM right now because of her leaving. She played two games with us after all this, and it wasn't any good for anyone. She was always complaining about something, and bringing a negative influence to our freshman. But you know what has happened now, my freshman are seeing more playing time, and really contributing to the cause. If I just had one more post player, we would be in the top 3 of the conference. And we are doing this with only 6 kids. So I think that MAYBE this will give the younger kids a chance to see more time, and MAYBE they will contribute enough to help us win a couple of games. I also think that team unity might go up now that the negative influence is gone. That is just what I think COULD happen, I don't know if it WILL though.

How did Wright become the negative so fast, just two weeks ago Coach Dakich said we need someone else besides Steve and Martin to play well. He also said Steve along with Martin were the "warriors" of the team. Many on this board found him our "new hope" at the pg spot. He is the second leading scorer on the team. Now you will see the freshman play, who have made little impact this season. People are hyped up about Marschall right now and that is okay, but remember he has one double digit scoring night in the MAC. Most of those points were scored in the second half of an out of reach game. The 34th ranked recruiting class was not as advertised. That is not being negative it is just the truth.

[Bleeding Orange]

How did Wright become the negative so fast, just two weeks ago Coach Dakich said we need someone else besides Steve and Martin to play well. He also said Steve along with Martin were the "warriors" of the team. Many on this board found him our "new hope" at the pg spot. He is the second leading scorer on the team. Now you will see the freshman play, who have made little impact this season. People are hyped up about Marschall right now and that is okay, but remember he has one double digit scoring night in the MAC. Most of those points were scored in the second half of an out of reach game. The 34th ranked recruiting class was not as advertised. That is not being negative it is just the truth.

Read the second half of this thread: http://www.ay-ziggy-zoomba.com/phpBB2/v ... hp?t=10423

This is how he became such a negative so quickly. Yeah, the guy scores points, but if he is pulling this kind of crap, thanks, but no thanks.

As I've said before, there are things much, much more important than stats.

[Flipper]

It's waaaay to early to write off this year's class. Sullivan didn't even play and he was as highly regarded as Moten. Moten missed half a year and he's trying to take minutes from our leading scorer (another rmember of this year's class) and two returning veterans. Marschall is playing out of position half the time or more(he'smore effective facing the basket than playing center) Clements is in the same boat Moten is so far as minutes available go and Wilson had a family tragedy to deal with.

I'm not even going to address Holland.

This mindset that demands instant results from first year players is part of what's killing us. Kids don't see 35 minutes a night so they pack up and look elsewhere. Fans don't see a freshman playing at an all conference level so they assume they never will.

Nobody has any patience....

[HoustonFalcon]

I am going to call him a negative if he is telling recruits that they should not commit to BG. That is being a negative. The team has not played well in the last couple of weeks, and from what some of you that have seen the games are telling us, you haven't been impressed with Wright's play. Now forgive me if I'm wrong. I don't claim to know how he is playing for sure. But, is it possible that there is a correlation on how the team has been playing, and how Wright has been acting outside of what we can see? My THOUGHT, yes. This team might have been losing, but not in the fashion that they have the last few games. If we keep getting blown out, then I will say that I was wrong. I just want to see.

[orangeandbrown]

Fair enough, Houston. Flip, you make good points, but Freshmen do contribute right away in basketball much more often than in football. Freshmen can come in and contribute right away.

[Bleeding Orange]

Fair enough, Houston. Flip, you make good points, but Freshmen do contribute right away in basketball much more often than in football. Freshmen can come in and contribute right away.

Just because they can doesn't necessarily mean that they do.

[BGSU33]

Fair enough, Houston. Flip, you make good points, but Freshmen do contribute right away in basketball much more often than in football. Freshmen can come in and contribute right away.

Just because they can doesn't necessarily mean that they do.

Good points both ways. But one thing I will point out about freshman, while many of them don't usually step in and fill big roles, last year right here in the MAC, we saw two freshman at Ohio (Leon Williams and Jeremy Fears) not only come in and play as big impact players, but they put their team on their backs and carried them right to a MAC Tournament title and a trip to the NCAA Tournament. Last season, Williams & Fears were THE difference for Ohio down the stretch, especially when the MAC Tournament rolled around.

[Flipper]

Again...just because we don't have kids that were able (for whatever reason) to walk and do the exceptional, it's no reason to give up on them.
We don't know what they're capable of because they haven't earned/been given (I don't care which) a chance to show what they can do.

What right do we have to expect these kids to tough out that first year of getting acclimated to college ball if we're not willing to give them tha tyear as fans?

[HoustonFalcon]

Very few kids are able to come in as freshman and help in a big way. They may be able to come in and be very good role players, but there aren't that many that are studs as freshman. We aren't Duke, UNC, or the like. That is where most of those kids are going. Every now and again, one might slip through the cracks. But most MAC championship teams have been comprised of an upperclassmen laden team. That is just the way mid majors work. You can be competitive with a younger team, but most can't win with a bunch of freshman and sophmores. This is the time of year that I would expect a couple of those freshman to play a little more and be more productive. Most of them can, but some of them can't. We'll have to wait and see.