Evaluating BG hockey

[BGDrew]

Yep, but that study was supposed to have been done quite a long time ago.

[Tech83]

From the Office of Design and Construction

http://www.bgsu.edu/offices/architect/index.html

Status of Capital Improvement Projects

Ice Arena Feasibility Study Rossetti Architects
Local Funds: To Be Determined
Begin Study: June 2005
Complete Study: November 2005
Project Manager: Bob Waddle, Asst. VP for Capital Planning

Rossetti Architects have begun work on this fourteen to sixteen week project, and have completed a rather extensive physical review of the building to identify immediate problems. They have also conducted interviews with potential and existing users of the facility, as well as to do a cost comparison for ice time with our nearest competitors. Their initial findings suggest that an additional 25% of ice time could be rented, if ice was available. We are now working on blending this information, along with the development of proposed programming spaces for any changes or additions to the facility to determine a specific direction regarding a second full sheet of ice. We anticipate the completion of this report in November 2005.

Rossetti Architects webpage....

http://www.rossettiarchitects.com/colle ... index.html

[Puckhead]

Ice Arena Renovation
I was told by an influential hockey supporter ( name withheld)
that the study has been completed. It sounded like the study has been completed and put away in a safe spot.
I was told that it calls for another ice surface, and a massive renovation.
Cost about $ 20 million.
Anyone out there got a spare $ 20 mil?
In the 70's we had one of the best facilities in the nation. We also had
one of the best programs in the nation. Good facility does not equate to a national power. A major commitment from the administration makes the differance. I have been told that Presidents Jerome and Moore were committed to the hockey program. Yes, the north end was enclosed in 1989 by Dr. Olscamp. Please look at the win / loss records since Captain Paluch and Coach York in were here in 1988. There is a gradual decline, with occasional up blips.

We had a great facility, we had a great program. What are we going to do to recapture the tradition? BTY do 18 year olds in Toronto, Vancouver or Cleveland know of our tradition??

Years ago OSU decided to step up, and get committed to hockey. I think that it was Paul Krebs that "found" the $ 130 million ( or so) for the Shott Center. Congrats Paul, very nice building.
Miami has built a building, Yost and Munn have been renovated.
Look at their programs. Commitment ($$) from the administration makes the program.

Have you heard of the "Doug Flute Effect"? After that pass, BC got tons of money from alumni. Ask Bostonians, all phases of BC have grown enormously since then, sports and acedemics. The Flute Effect has been seen at many universities. BGSU Hockey once created a "Flute Effect".
We can do it again, if the administration gets $$ behind the program.

I think that Scott, Ron and Jamie are doing a great job. Like everyone, I reserve the right to question actions. I pray that hey can get it turned around .
Now is the time for Paul Krebs and Dick Waring to be told to go out and find $ 20 million.

[Bleeding Orange]

Ice Arena Renovation
I was told by an influential hockey supporter ( name withheld)
that the study has been completed. It sounded like the study has been completed and put away in a safe spot.
I was told that it calls for another ice surface, and a massive renovation.
Cost about $ 20 million.
Anyone out there got a spare $ 20 mil?
In the 70's we had one of the best facilities in the nation. We also had
one of the best programs in the nation. Good facility does not equate to a national power. A major commitment from the administration makes the differance. I have been told that Presidents Jerome and Moore were committed to the hockey program. Yes, the north end was enclosed in 1989 by Dr. Olscamp. Please look at the win / loss records since Captain Paluch and Coach York in were here in 1988. There is a gradual decline, with occasional up blips.

We had a great facility, we had a great program. What are we going to do to recapture the tradition? BTY do 18 year olds in Toronto, Vancouver or Cleveland know of our tradition??

Years ago OSU decided to step up, and get committed to hockey. I think that it was Paul Krebs that "found" the $ 130 million ( or so) for the Shott Center. Congrats Paul, very nice building.
Miami has built a building, Yost and Munn have been renovated.
Look at their programs. Commitment ($$) from the administration makes the program.

Have you heard of the "Doug Flute Effect"? After that pass, BC got tons of money from alumni. Ask Bostonians, all phases of BC have grown enormously since then, sports and acedemics. The Flute Effect has been seen at many universities. BGSU Hockey once created a "Flute Effect".
We can do it again, if the administration gets $$ behind the program.

I think that Scott, Ron and Jamie are doing a great job. Like everyone, I reserve the right to question actions. I pray that hey can get it turned around .
Now is the time for Paul Krebs and Dick Waring to be told to go out and find $ 20 million.

Listen, Puckhead, if you want the administration to throw money at the hockey program, then I suggest you accompany administrators to Columbus on a weekly basis to lobby Congressmen for more money. In the late '70's, you seem to have conveniently forgotten, the state was actually funding it's universities, and BG, therefore, had the money to throw at athletic facilities. Today, that is very much not the case - no one is making that up.

I hate to be so blunt, but until you are doing your part to help higher education get some more funding from the state, get off the administration's back. They are doing the absolute best that they can. Your argument is full of non-sequitors, and quite frankly, it is getting very old.

[Tech83]

BO - How was the Chatroom Saturday night without PGY and myself....... Did Bando show and was anyone able to get him a hooker

[It's the Journey...]

Excellent post Bleeding Orange. When Dr. Ribeau got here in 1995 he had to clean up the mess from Dr. Olscamp. Sure the ice arena got a few more seats but the residence halls were permitted to fall apart as well as other academic buildings on campus. That was hardly worth a few more seats and a building with his name on it. When Paul got here we have a terrible football team and a department that was oozing money like a leaky faucet. He has since brought that more in line and brought a "big time" way of thinking into a school on a lower end MAC budget. Over all, both have been bery successful. The renovations will come, and I think it will be due to those who have benifited from the ice arena giving back to make sure it is a focal point on campus for years to come. You have to look at the big picture of BGSU, not just the pixel that is athletics.

[Tech83]

It takes donations to do all these things, not from a few people but from alot. BG Alumni do okay supporting the institution, but we can do better.

In 2004-05 Annual Report, $15.9 Million were donated to the BG Foundation. http://giving.bgsu.edu/development/abou ... report.jsp

In comparison, Miami took in over $27 Million in cash last year and over $65 Million in committments during their "For Love and Honor" Campaign.

http://www.forloveandhonor.org/cgi-any/ ... mpaign.htm

Of course, no matter the amount of money, it all does not all go into facilities.

[Puckhead]

BO, Thank you for the Ohio history lesson. I understand that the legislature does not have the cash. When OSU and Paul Krebs got the funding for the Shott Center, they did not use public money, they used private money. I understand that it may be easier to raise $ 130 mil in Columbus than $ 20 mil in Bowling Green.
My comment was to urge the BGSU administration to get behind the BGSU renovation, just like the OSU and Miami administrations got behind their program. Promote the raising of private funds.

[BGFan]

BO, Thank you for the Ohio history lesson. I understand that the legislature does not have the cash. When OSU and Paul Krebs got the funding for the Shott Center, they did not use public money, they used private money. I understand that it may be easier to raise $ 130 mil in Columbus than $ 20 mil in Bowling Green.
My comment was to urge the BGSU administration to get behind the BGSU renovation, just like the OSU and Miami administrations got behind their program. Promote the raising of private funds.

I believe that, in this forum, you're preaching to the choir. The Sentinal would be a better place.

[redhawk95]

$20 mil to renovate bgsu ice arena? wow...that seems awfully high to me. consider that miami is spending $32 mil on a brand new joint. then again, what do i know? that said, it seems like you could do a great renovation for maybe half that $20 mil figure.

good luck at uno's this weekend.

[NWLB]

BO, Thank you for the Ohio history lesson. I understand that the legislature does not have the cash. When OSU and Paul Krebs got the funding for the Shott Center, they did not use public money, they used private money. I understand that it may be easier to raise $ 130 mil in Columbus than $ 20 mil in Bowling Green.
My comment was to urge the BGSU administration to get behind the BGSU renovation, just like the OSU and Miami administrations got behind their program. Promote the raising of private funds.

You need a few more history lessons.

Promote the raising of private funds? Lordy lordy, do you not get back to campus often? Does the alumni or development office not have your address? Do you not have direct dialing the telefund can access?

[NWLB]

$20 mil to renovate bgsu ice arena? wow...that seems awfully high to me. consider that miami is spending $32 mil on a brand new joint. then again, what do i know? that said, it seems like you could do a great renovation for maybe half that $20 mil figure.

good luck at uno's this weekend.

20 Mil might have been high ten years ago, but costs have gone up. I seem to recall they hedged on moving on a renovation project before Dr. Z got the boot, in part out of wanting to see how the proposed renovation of the Toledo arena turned out, and how the Rossford project turned out. Of course, Toledo was a part of the mix, so it goes without saying that the project got screwed up and has yet to happen. Rossford was a distraction because a major hotel was looking to build locally, but turned its attention north, and BG was pondering if the new arena might host some BG hockey games. Since it rolled over and died, obviously that debate was moot.

The arena wouldn't be a pure athletics project, so money might be found that isn't an option for Sebo or the convocation center.

[Rightupinthere]

$20 mil to renovate bgsu ice arena? wow...that seems awfully high to me. consider that miami is spending $32 mil on a brand new joint. then again, what do i know? that said, it seems like you could do a great renovation for maybe half that $20 mil figure.

That initially seemed high for a "renovation" of an existing structure; however, there will be another sheet of ice - basically another building. I'm wondering if the second sheet will be a sort of "mini-me" to the existing arena (stands, concessions, etc). The current structure would get a NASTY rebuild (luxury boxes, more reserved seating, larger press box, hockey STORE, etc).

$20 mil sounds about right in that view.

[Tech83]

Doing a major renovation such as RUIT is describing would be difficult. The roof and walls could end up getting razed to get the luxury boxes - my best guess.

It might be easier to add a new Varisty House and then convert the existing into the "second" sheet of ice. This allows the use of the current facility to function, while the Addition is occuring.

Then you gut the existing House adding all the new support spaces where the east stands and toillet rooms are located. Keep the west stands and create a new entrance directly into the second House. Make one-sided seating for the second house. Plenty of seats for high school and and so on.

The prefect team to do this reno would be a client of mine (also a BG grad) and myself. We renovated Hobart Arena. The original architect was basically fired, even though they are still mentioned but my firm is not. My role was designing new concession stands, storage addition, and the Hall of Fame....... and then assisting them in contracting for new seating, windows, and ice after the orginal Architect was canned. The oringal architect did the Master Plan, locker rooms and toilet room renovation.

http://www.troyohio.gov/rec/arena.html

Ah, to dream.

[NWLB]

The late Dr. Cooper told me once that there was an identical facility to our own, or at least a fairly close version of it, built at a college in New Mexico. I'm curious what came of that building.