Omar In The Draft Thread #37

AJatBG · Post by **AJatBG** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:25 pm

With the trade of Culpepper to the Dolphins and Drew Brees signing with New Orleans, does this effect Omar at all? Will Young or Matty drop a few spots, will teams trade up to snatch one of them? Will Minnesota take a young QB to groom?

leardm17 · Post by **leardm17** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:39 pm

Omar's stock has dropped due to these recent signings. Omar will not be brought in to compete for a starting job at this point. I believe most teams will look at him as a project that will learn a system behind a seasoned vet. I think teams like Dallas, Kansas City, Minnesota, Arizona, and Denver would be in the market for Omar. I still wouldn't rule out Miami if Omar falls into the 4th round.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:53 pm

I don't think anyone outside of the very top of the draft drafts a QB thinking they're going to start the following year. I don't think anyone would draft Omar thinking he'd be ready for at least a couple of years.

I think these free agent signings are largely irrelevant to Omar's draft position.

leardm17 · Post by **leardm17** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:28 pm

Flipper wrote:I don't think anyone outside of the very top of the draft drafts a QB thinking they're going to start the following year. I don't think anyone would draft Omar thinking he'd be ready for at least a couple of years.

I think these free agent signings are largely irrelevant to Omar's draft position.

Actually, these signings have a huge impact on Omar's positioning. Now that the Saints have Brees, they will not be looking to draft a QB and there is the possibility of Aaron Brooks hitting the market now. This means teams like Oakland or the Vikings will now go after Young or Cutler which makes them less likely to draft Omar in rounds 2 or 3. With less teams in need of QB, Omar's stock falls...supply and demand theory.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:34 pm

leardm17 wrote:
Actually, these signings have a huge impact on Omar's positioning. Now that the Saints have Brees, they will not be looking to draft a QB and there is the possibility of Aaron Brooks hitting the market now. This means teams like Oakland or the Vikings will now go after Young or Cutler which makes them less likely to draft Omar in rounds 2 or 3. With less teams in need of QB, Omar's stock falls...supply and demand theory.

Teams never would have been drafting Omar for need anyways. He was graded out as a project, meaning a starter in 2-3 years, and likely not any earlier. With that sort of draft grade he could go anywhere to a team that sees him as valuable in the future, regardless of what their current QB situation is. NFL rosters are so fluid that by the time Omar is ready to start it is quite likely that their QB situation will be completely different anyways.

Honestly it wouldn't shock me if any team in the league took Omar. He's most likely to go to a team with an aging vet starter that would like a guy ready in a couple years, but even these teams that are acquiring relatively young vets may look towards the future. I really think KC would be a good fit for him, and they may look for a QB at some point in the draft as well...

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:40 pm

leardm17 wrote:
Flipper wrote:I don't think anyone outside of the very top of the draft drafts a QB thinking they're going to start the following year. I don't think anyone would draft Omar thinking he'd be ready for at least a couple of years.

I think these free agent signings are largely irrelevant to Omar's draft position.
Actually, these signings have a huge impact on Omar's positioning. Now that the Saints have Brees, they will not be looking to draft a QB and there is the possibility of Aaron Brooks hitting the market now. This means teams like Oakland or the Vikings will now go after Young or Cutler which makes them less likely to draft Omar in rounds 2 or 3. With less teams in need of QB, Omar's stock falls...supply and demand theory.

Aaron Brooks was gone regardless. They would have drafted Matt Leinart if there was no Brees. The Saints already have Adrian McPherson. The idea that the Saints were going to draft anything but a starter level QB early is flawed. The Jets will likely trade into spot 2 or 1 to get Leinart and the Titans will still likely take Young. This likely changes nothing.

What has hurt Omar the most is the strong shwoings by Charlie Whitehurst and Croyle.

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:42 pm

leardm17 wrote:
Flipper wrote:I don't think anyone outside of the very top of the draft drafts a QB thinking they're going to start the following year. I don't think anyone would draft Omar thinking he'd be ready for at least a couple of years.

I think these free agent signings are largely irrelevant to Omar's draft position.
Actually, these signings have a huge impact on Omar's positioning. Now that the Saints have Brees, they will not be looking to draft a QB and there is the possibility of Aaron Brooks hitting the market now. This means teams like Oakland or the Vikings will now go after Young or Cutler which makes them less likely to draft Omar in rounds 2 or 3. With less teams in need of QB, Omar's stock falls...supply and demand theory.

Well, actually, the supply hasn't really changed, it's merely shifted. If someone is interested in picking up Aaron Brooks, I don't believe they're in the market for Omar Jacobs.

In terms of supply, both Brooks and Jacobs fall under the broad category of Quarterbacks, much as the Ford Mustang and the Chevy Suburban fall under the broad category of passenger vehicles. But the target audience for those two vehicles is, obviously, quite different. The same with Brooks and Jacobs.

A team seriously considering Brooks is looking for a QB that can be productive immediately, even if that means productive as a backup. A team with that sort of need would not - or at least should not - be looking at Omar. He's simply not going to be a productive NFL QB in 2006.

On the flip side, let's take a look at the Philadelphia Eagles. They have a star QB the same age as Brooks in Donovan McNabb and (soon) an aging backup in Jeff Garcia. They would be the type of team who would consider Jacobs, because, quite frankly, they wouldn't need him to be productive for a few seasons. On the other hand, the Eagles wouldn't have much interest in Brooks.

leardm17 · Post by **leardm17** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:52 pm

1987alum wrote:
leardm17 wrote:
Flipper wrote:I don't think anyone outside of the very top of the draft drafts a QB thinking they're going to start the following year. I don't think anyone would draft Omar thinking he'd be ready for at least a couple of years.

I think these free agent signings are largely irrelevant to Omar's draft position.
Actually, these signings have a huge impact on Omar's positioning. Now that the Saints have Brees, they will not be looking to draft a QB and there is the possibility of Aaron Brooks hitting the market now. This means teams like Oakland or the Vikings will now go after Young or Cutler which makes them less likely to draft Omar in rounds 2 or 3. With less teams in need of QB, Omar's stock falls...supply and demand theory.
Well, actually, the supply hasn't really changed, it's merely shifted. If someone is interested in picking up Aaron Brooks, I don't believe they're in the market for Omar Jacobs.

In terms of supply, both Brooks and Jacobs fall under the broad category of Quarterbacks, much as the Ford Mustang and the Chevy Suburban fall under the broad category of passenger vehicles. But the target audience for those two vehicles is, obviously, quite different. The same with Brooks and Jacobs.

A team seriously considering Brooks is looking for a QB that can be productive immediately, even if that means productive as a backup. A team with that sort of need would not - or at least should not - be looking at Omar. He's simply not going to be a productive NFL QB in 2006.

On the flip side, let's take a look at the Philadelphia Eagles. They have a star QB the same age as Brooks in Donovan McNabb and (soon) an aging backup in Jeff Garcia. They would be the type of team who would consider Jacobs, because, quite frankly, they wouldn't need him to be productive for a few seasons. On the other hand, the Eagles wouldn't have much interest in Brooks.

Teams still have interest in Omar, but his stock is falling. Good point with Philly, but will they use a 3rd or 4th round pick on a #3 QB? I doubt they will, but if they can get Omar in the 5th round or later then he would be an Eagle. The sense of urgency around taking a QB early in this draft is lowering.

tekekini · Post by **tekekini** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:24 pm

gonna be a bad year for drafted QB's, if the saints do not trade pick #2 the QB's are going to make considerably less money than they have a long time in the draft

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:03 pm

There is one more X factor that changes the lay of the land. Green BAy...they just started there Qb camp...with One QB( farve does not attend qb camp only back up), if Farve deciedes hes going to retire (which at this point I am doubting) that will open the doors to GB for some say maybe early pick QB or trading up for one, and one or two late picks to stock the stables and sort out who to keep.
i think we will hear the news on this in about two weeks, but that is just me and we all know FARVE must decied before the draft, with enough advance for them to sort it out and develop the plan.
***and oddly enough with Batch resiging in Pit, there is the odd chance that a late round QB could wind up in Pitt...now wouldnt that be fun...Ben adn Omar on the same team...

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:03 pm

MACMAN wrote:There is one more X factor that changes the lay of the land. Green BAy...they just started there Qb camp...with One QB( farve does not attend qb camp only back up), if Farve deciedes hes going to retire (which at this point I am doubting) that will open the doors to GB for some say maybe early pick QB or trading up for one, and one or two late picks to stock the stables and sort out who to keep.
i think we will hear the news on this in about two weeks, but that is just me and we all know FARVE must decied before the draft, with enough advance for them to sort it out and develop the plan.
***and oddly enough with Batch resiging in Pit, there is the odd chance that a late round QB could wind up in Pitt...now wouldnt that be fun...Ben adn Omar on the same team...

Neither Green Bay or Pittsburgh will take Omar. Pittsburgh might take a QB in the last couple rounds but will most likely take a Randle El type that could be third string QB plus a receiver.

Green Bay drafted a QB in the first round last year. They won't be taking one in the first 3 rounds this year.