2 more leave the Falcon's Nest

BGorDeath · Post by **BGorDeath** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:47 am

bgsufalcon24 wrote:
Tricky_Falcon wrote:
redskins4ever wrote:Maybe the guys team should go watch the women's coach and practice and see that being tough on a player doesn't mean that the coach hates them. With all of the tough love articles about Curt Miller, you'd think he is worse then Dakich.
Exactly, but people on here don't want to acknowledge that.
Gee I wonder why not? It might have something to do with the fact that everybody on the women's team adores Miller, while just about everybody on the men's team deplores Dakich. It might have something to do with the fact that the women went 28-2 this season, and the men went 9-21. It might have something to do with the fact that the men's team has been ripped apart by transfers while the women have recruited and kept the best recruiting classes since the early 90s.

The point is, Curt Miller's system works almost to perfection, Dan Dakich's is not working. With the newest players leaving now, I can only pray that Krebs leaving is not the opening in which Dakich gets another year at BG. If Dakich is here next year, I think that we will not have another competitive men's basketball team at BG until I graduate out of here, and that isn't something I want to even think about.

Are you on the 5 or 10 year program?

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:51 am

BGorDeath · Post by **BGorDeath** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:34 am

Flipper wrote:

OOooooo, Tara Reid, B-Movielicious.

jacojdm · Post by **jacojdm** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:46 am

BGorDeath wrote:
Flipper wrote:

OOooooo, Tara Reid, B-Movielicious.

it tastes like i've had this before.

Tricky_Falcon · Post by **Tricky_Falcon** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:47 am

Metz · Post by **Metz** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:10 am

Tricky_Falcon wrote:

Just disgusting...

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:40 am

bgsufalcon24 wrote: Gee I wonder why not? It might have something to do with the fact that everybody on the women's team adores Miller, while just about everybody on the men's team deplores Dakich.

Assuming things makes an ass out of u and me.

CrazyFan · Post by **CrazyFan** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:47 am

bgsufalcon24 wrote:
Tricky_Falcon wrote:
redskins4ever wrote:Maybe the guys team should go watch the women's coach and practice and see that being tough on a player doesn't mean that the coach hates them. With all of the tough love articles about Curt Miller, you'd think he is worse then Dakich.
Exactly, but people on here don't want to acknowledge that.
Gee I wonder why not? It might have something to do with the fact that everybody on the women's team adores Miller, while just about everybody on the men's team deplores Dakich. It might have something to do with the fact that the women went 28-2 this season, and the men went 9-21. It might have something to do with the fact that the men's team has been ripped apart by transfers while the women have recruited and kept the best recruiting classes since the early 90s.

The point is, Curt Miller's system works almost to perfection, Dan Dakich's is not working. With the newest players leaving now, I can only pray that Krebs leaving is not the opening in which Dakich gets another year at BG. If Dakich is here next year, I think that we will not have another competitive men's basketball team at BG until I graduate out of here, and that isn't something I want to even think about.

Your still living in your little dream world that Dakich isn't going to be around next year, aren't you. Your a freshman at BGSU, right? Maybe you should register for Reality 101 in the summer and get a clue. One last time, BGSU does not have the money to buy out Dakich. We have no revenue. We have no attendance. You need those things to piss away money on buying out contracts like the bigger schools can. Dakich WILL be here next season unless he resigns, which as hard as he's hitting the road right now and as much as he's optimistic about next season, I don't see that happening. Talking about beating the horse until it's dead!

dduncan · Post by **dduncan** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:01 pm

Your still living in your little dream world that Dakich isn't going to be around next year, aren't you. Your a freshman at BGSU, right? Maybe you should register for Reality 101 in the summer and get a clue. One last time, BGSU does not have the money to buy out Dakich. We have no revenue. We have no attendance. You need those things to piss away money on buying out contracts like the bigger schools can. Dakich WILL be here next season unless he resigns, which as hard as he's hitting the road right now and as much as he's optimistic about next season, I don't see that happening. Talking about beating the horse until it's dead!

Ah, the young and naive. Though I agree that Dakich will be around next season, it isn't because BG doesn't have the $$ to buy out his contract. They probably do. Will they do it? Probably not.

When buying out a contract, you don't just look at what the BBall team brings in revenue wise. You look at the whole athletic system's budget and see where it stands. Just like in a regular business, you can move around $$ from different areas. For example, if the football team made the Motor City bowl, there's more cash for the athetic program. Of course, it should probably be used towards the football program, right? Not necessarily.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:17 pm

The only way I see them buying out Dan is if wealthy alums put up that kind of cash to see him ousted...it will likely take a few more transfers before that would even be a possibility.

I've resigned myself to the fact that Dan will be back next season. It's unfortunate, but it's the nature of the beast. Like I said somewhere else, at least it will give our new AD a chance to explore all options and put various feelers out there to find out who'd be interested.

bgsufalcon24 · Post by **bgsufalcon24** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:37 pm

Jacobs4Heisman wrote:
bgsufalcon24 wrote: Gee I wonder why not? It might have something to do with the fact that everybody on the women's team adores Miller, while just about everybody on the men's team deplores Dakich.

Assuming things makes an ass out of u and me.

Given all the articles and analysis I've read on this subject, it doesn't seem like an assumption at all.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:52 pm

Curt Miller has that team working with him. Three years ago when they were down one in the tournament semis against Miami, the Redhawks were going to the line to shoot a one and one with 5-10 seconds left. You could see the prsessure of the situation on the ladies faces. Miller called the TO to ice the shooter, but he also used the time to calm his team down. As they reached the huddle he put both hands up and said "calm down". Even on TV you could see the team exhale and regain their focus.

Miami missed the front end, Austin went length of the floor and hit the winner.

That was an example of a team believing in a coach and a coach believing in his players......I don't see how we can say the men's team has the same unity when 1/3 of the team takes a hike every year. I've defended Dan as much as anyone, but the latest instance of a kid who figured prominently in our plans leaving without a clue as to where he's heading has convoinced me that Dan needs to go.

I fear that we're stuck with him for this year. I have a bigger fear that he'll manage another 17-18 win season and the new AD will buy into the notion that he's turned a corner and give him an extension.

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:59 pm

dduncan wrote:
Your still living in your little dream world that Dakich isn't going to be around next year, aren't you. Your a freshman at BGSU, right? Maybe you should register for Reality 101 in the summer and get a clue. One last time, BGSU does not have the money to buy out Dakich. We have no revenue. We have no attendance. You need those things to piss away money on buying out contracts like the bigger schools can. Dakich WILL be here next season unless he resigns, which as hard as he's hitting the road right now and as much as he's optimistic about next season, I don't see that happening. Talking about beating the horse until it's dead!
Ah, the young and naive. Though I agree that Dakich will be around next season, it isn't because BG doesn't have the $$ to buy out his contract. They probably do. Will they do it? Probably not.

When buying out a contract, you don't just look at what the BBall team brings in revenue wise. You look at the whole athletic system's budget and see where it stands. Just like in a regular business, you can move around $$ from different areas. For example, if the football team made the Motor City bowl, there's more cash for the athetic program. Of course, it should probably be used towards the football program, right? Not necessarily.

Who says the entire athletic department has this kind of money lying around? I highly doubt they do. You think our football team is generating that kind of cash? And you look at throwing that kind of cash at a coach, then pay a new coach, and its a while before you see any ROI...probably not in the first year. To get it, you'll have to sacrifice somewhere else.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:05 pm

bgsufalcon24 wrote:
Jacobs4Heisman wrote:
bgsufalcon24 wrote: Gee I wonder why not? It might have something to do with the fact that everybody on the women's team adores Miller, while just about everybody on the men's team deplores Dakich.

Assuming things makes an ass out of u and me.
Given all the articles and analysis I've read on this subject, it doesn't seem like an assumption at all.

But it is, and a wrong one at that.

Rollo83 · Post by **Rollo83** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:10 pm

Curt Miller has that team working with him. Three years ago when they were down one in the tournament semis against Miami, the Redhawks were going to the line to shoot a one and one with 5-10 seconds left. You could see the prsessure of the situation on the ladies faces. Miller called the TO to ice the shooter, but he also used the time to calm his team down. As they reached the huddle he put both hands up and said "calm down". Even on TV you could see the team exhale and regain their focus.

Miami missed the front end, Austin went length of the floor and hit the winner.

That was an example of a team believing in a coach and a coach believing in his players......I don't see how we can say the men's team has the same unity when 1/3 of the team takes a hike every year. I've defended Dan as much as anyone, but the latest instance of a kid who figured prominently in our plans leaving without a clue as to where he's heading has convoinced me that Dan needs to go.

I fear that we're stuck with him for this year. I have a bigger fear that he'll manage another 17-18 win season and the new AD will buy into the notion that he's turned a corner and give him an extension.

Calling a timeout in that situation to "ice" the shooter and prepare your team for the ensuing possession doesn't take much of a coaching genius to figure that out. So, I am not sure of the analogy here. I do agree that Curt Miller is one of the best young coaches I have ever watched and listened to…men’s or women’s.

I am also not sure about “a kid who figured prominently in our plans.” Moon didn’t contribute much in first two years. In fact, he hasn’t got one bit better since he got here. Now you can certainly blame the coaching staff for part of that, but I think you also have to put some of the blame on the kid...especially when his weakness is shooting the basketball. Coaching can only help a player so much in terms of improving your shooting ability. The player has to spend the time in the gym shooting hour after hour. I can’t begin to tell you how Moon spent his summers. But if he was spending hours each day working on his shooting and that’s the results he got…he’s not a division one player anyway.

As far as Dan is concerned, I too have been one of his biggest supporters. I truly like the guy personally. I also like what he stands for and how he thinks the game should be played. If I had a choice I would rather win at BG Dan’s way rather than someone else’s way. Having said that, I am not sure Dan can get it done his way anymore, and I don’t think he will change. Therefore, maybe the time has come for BG to move on with program with another coach? It pains me to say that, but he may have dug himself a hole so big in terms of recruiting that he will never be able to dig himself out.