2 more leave the Falcon's Nest

BGSU33 · Post by **BGSU33** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:56 pm

My thought on losing Robinson pretty much contradicts any of my thoughts about players leaving BG all together. Like many of you, I’m ready to pull my hair out because of all the defections we’ve had over the last four years. It’s long past the idea of enough is enough, we’re beyond that to the point we’ve become a joke to many MAC schools and fans. Seeing signs of a picture of Dakich with the quote “Where have all my players gone” at the BG/OU game in Athens when we got drilled almost 40 almost made me laugh about something that’s not funny to me at all. The pre and post WVU-era for Dakich is like day and night.

First off, I don’t want to see us lose another player, period. We’ve lost so many players, several of them very good ones, and it’s almost sad to see them leave and develop into good players that could have helped us instead of the team they are now playing for. I’m also sick and tired of watching us go back to the drawing board year after year unable to reload, but having to try and build over from pretty much scratch every season in recent years. I’m also not ready to just dismiss a player’s departure after a year or two as not a big loss if they didn’t play much or put up big numbers for us, because in many cases, a player is much better as a junior and senior than they are a freshman or sophomore. Aside from developing and improving their skills, they also gain valuable experience and usually become better leaders and much better players later in their career.

With all of that said, with our latest defection being Robinson, I honestly wasn’t nearly as upset as I was when we lost Wright a few weeks ago. Again, I don’t like seeing anyone leave for whatever the reasons, but Wright has already and could have given us a lot more next season than Robinson likely ever would. But the point is invalid to even discuss that at this time because they are both gone. But considering who is on our roster to return or who can play for us next season, if I had to pick one player that we couldn’t have next season, it would have been Robinson. I still dislike losing him, but it could have much worse IMO. I’d rather it have been Robinson over anyone else, even a guy like Sullivan or Miller who we’ve yet to see play a regular season game.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:46 pm

BGSU33 wrote: I still dislike losing him, but it could have much worse IMO. I’d rather it have been Robinson over anyone else, even a guy like Sullivan or Wilson who we’ve yet to see play a regular season game.

Give it time...there is still a lot of offseason left for it to come to that

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:55 pm

At this juncture, what difference would it make? This team is seriously barbelled right now anyway. You have four seniors next year in Phillips, Lefeld, Samarco and Floyd. You also have four incoming freshman (2 signed and Wright and Moon's schollies to be filled) and a redshirt freshman in Sullivan (assuming he stays). Four seniors, five freshmen and four sophs if you count Guerin.

Gack....that's an ugly roster.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:01 pm

Flipper wrote:At this juncture, what difference would it make? This team is seriously barbelled right now anyway. You have four seniors next year in Phillips, Lefeld, Samarco and Floyd. You also have four incoming freshman (2 signed and Wright and Moon's schollies to be filled) and a redshirt freshman in Sullivan (assuming he stays). Four seniors, five freshmen and four sophs if you count Guerin.

Gack....that's an ugly roster.

But Dan Dakich said we're going to be so much better next year! How dare you question his athorita!

Metz · Post by **Metz** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:03 pm

BGSU33 wrote:I’d rather it have been Robinson over anyone else, even a guy like Sullivan

Sullivan is not someone you want transferring out...

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:11 pm

Whoops forgot about Miller....he'll be a soph too. Marschall, Clements, Moten, Guerin and Miller. are soph's. Sullivan, Larson, Sims, new guy aand new guy are freshmen.

I'm really stoked about those "new guys"!

bgsufalcon24 · Post by **bgsufalcon24** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:38 pm

CrazyFan wrote:
bgsufalcon24 wrote:
Jacobs4Heisman wrote:
bgsufalcon24 wrote:
Jacobs4Heisman wrote:
bgsufalcon24 wrote: Gee I wonder why not? It might have something to do with the fact that everybody on the women's team adores Miller, while just about everybody on the men's team deplores Dakich.

Assuming things makes an ass out of u and me.
Given all the articles and analysis I've read on this subject, it doesn't seem like an assumption at all.

But it is, and a wrong one at that.
I dare you to name one player on the women's basketball team that detests Miller the way our guys detest Dakich.
Oh yee wise old FRESHMAN (who's been following the program for 6 months), would you please enlighten us on your FIRST-HAND experience on who detests Dakich? Who'd you speak to?

Don't play stupid with me. Ask Stephen Wright, or Moon Robinson, or even Martin Samarco about that. Samarco even said himself that he would transfer if he had any eligibility left. You're trying to paint a nice picture of a program that is in the shitter.

I have only been following the program for a short time. But, I'll tell you that I learned everything that I need to know about this program after watching ONE GAME at AA. That game was my first watching the team in person, and we blew a 15-point lead in the 2nd half and lost to NIU. Honestly, my first thought after that game was, "wow, our coach is an idiot." After watching us dominate for a half and then self-destruct like we did, how could I possibly think differently? And given the transfers we've had this year and in past years, its clear that Dakich isn't the best people person. He HAS to be doing something to tick off the athletes.

Let me pose another question to you. If the players on the team liked Dakich, do you think they would have quit like they did at the end of the season?

jacojdm · Post by **jacojdm** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:43 pm

bgsufalcon24 wrote:Ask...Martin Samarco about that. Samarco even said himself that he would transfer if he had any eligibility left.

you're a freshman, so you either should have passed or are currently enrolled in english 111/112 (unless you tested out), so you should know to cite your sources.
please show me where samarco said he'd transfer. i've never seen this in print. i'm not trying to be a smart ass, i've just never seen this.

BGSU33 · Post by **BGSU33** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:07 pm

Metz wrote:
BGSU33 wrote:I’d rather it have been Robinson over anyone else, even a guy like Sullivan
Sullivan is not someone you want transferring out...

I wasn't saying at all I would rather see Sullivan transfer over Robinson, I want to see Sullivan play at BG big time! I’m saying I’d rather see Robinson leave over a guy like Sullivan or Miller who we’ve not even yet seen play. Point being, I never felt Robinson was or would be very good, but even without seeing Sullivan play (aside from the preseason scrimmage) or any of Wilson’s games at UNCW, I give them both the benefit of the doubt over what Robinson showed us in two years. I'd be crushed if Sullivan never played for BG.

OSUFALCON · Post by **OSUFALCON** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:34 pm

Sullivan is staying! He would already be gone if he was leaving. I hear Pat Phillips may not return though. I also hear that the coaches are working hard add landing two players that could step in and help next year. One iof which is a point guard!

Tricky_Falcon · Post by **Tricky_Falcon** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:59 pm

OSUFALCON wrote:Sullivan is staying! He would already be gone if he was leaving. I hear Pat Phillips may not return though. I also hear that the coaches are working hard add landing two players that could step in and help next year. One iof which is a point guard!

They should start finding more than just two players. When nobody on the team wants to play anymore including a walk-on that was offered a scholarship you know you have problems. I'm not sure how we can land two very good players. You know they're going to ask questions about why everyone else is leaving and when they talk to the players there is a good chance these two will think twice before coming.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:01 pm

OSUFALCON wrote:Sullivan is staying! He would already be gone if he was leaving. I hear Pat Phillips may not return though. I also hear that the coaches are working hard add landing two players that could step in and help next year. One iof which is a point guard!

Great! I take back every negative thing I said about DD...

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:41 pm

Flipper wrote:Whoops forgot about Miller....he'll be a soph too. Marschall, Clements, Moten, Guerin and Miller. are soph's. Sullivan, Larson, Sims, new guy aand new guy are freshmen.

I'm really stoked about those "new guys"!

Miller will be a Freshman. He can't start until the middle of the year but he will be a freshman. He played half of his freshman year andhtentransfered. I would bet that if Patrick Phillips quits it has more to do with him graduating than anything else, but I dont know.

Red Wing Fan · Post by **Red Wing Fan** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:45 pm

Flipper wrote:
OSUFALCON wrote:Sullivan is staying! He would already be gone if he was leaving. I hear Pat Phillips may not return though. I also hear that the coaches are working hard add landing two players that could step in and help next year. One iof which is a point guard!
Great! I take back every negative thing I said about DD...

You might want to hold on that "take back everything you said" - What really good player in their right mind would EVER come into this mess? There are red flags all over the place and you know other MAC schools are letting any good players know that everyone leaves here - including seniors toward the end of the season. Sure, I'd LOVE to see us have a great year next year, but, realistically, I just can't see it happening. I hope I'm wrong.

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:18 pm

Red Wing Fan wrote: You might want to hold on that "take back everything you said" - What really good player in their right mind would EVER come into this mess? There are red flags all over the place and you know other MAC schools are letting any good players know that everyone leaves here - including seniors toward the end of the season. Sure, I'd LOVE to see us have a great year next year, but, realistically, I just can't see it happening. I hope I'm wrong.

A) If I know Flipper, and I know sarcasm, that was sarcasm.
B) As true as it may be, what's the deal with the "in the right mind..." comment? It's one thing for other coaches to use it against us, but comments like that are the ones that chap my ass around here.

The situation we're in sucks, it's apparently DD's doing, and next year doesn't look to be all that bright, but JFC people, why don't we just fold the men's hoops program?!?!

Not saying we have to be happy with things, but why turn the propaganda machine on our own program?