Solution to our Basketball Woes

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:24 pm

Tiresome is a great description of BGSU basketball....boring is another.

To build a program you need to start with a University that is willing to commit the resources needed to compete. Then you have to find a coach with the ability to recruit quality athletes that buy into his vision of how a basketball team should perform on and off the court. Then you have to find those athletes and mold them into a team. Then you have to find the right women for the dance squad.

miss any of those steps and you will not have a great program

Red Wing Fan · Post by **Red Wing Fan** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:33 pm

Flipper wrote:Tiresome is a great description of BGSU basketball....boring is another.

To build a program you need to start with a University that is willing to commit the resources needed to compete. Then you have to find a coach with the ability to recruit quality athletes that buy into his vision of how a basketball team should perform on and off the court. Then you have to find those athletes and mold them into a team. Then you have to find the right women for the dance squad.

miss any of those steps and you will not have a great program

Great insight, Flipper!!!!!

svillefalcon · Post by **svillefalcon** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:50 am

CrazyFan wrote: For all we know these kids are leaving cause they are tired of playing in these low grade, bush league facilities. And yes, I knw they knew this when they got here, but try playing 12 road games at other higher class arenas and then coming back home to AA. It's a slap in the face. I think we need to start focusing on our facilities a little more and DD a little less. He's proven he can win.

THANK YOU crazy fan, someone who actually knows what they are talking about. This is very true that when kids play a season or 2 here, they go out to play on the road and see the facilities other teams boast then go in for practice the next day at AA, they become discouraged. Dr. Ribeau and the board need to approve the convocation center to be built (if the havent already, i dont know) and get this program back on its feet, because this program is on the verge of becoming bed ridden...

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:07 am

Warthog wrote:
Schadenfreude wrote:Cooper Tire Fieldhouse, anyone?

Given that Cooper's bond rating was lowered to junk bond status yesterday, I doubt they are wanting to invest in naming an arena. On the other hand, big oil seems to be printing money nowadays. How about Marathon Petroleum Convocation Center?

You know, I almost reposted to suggest the "Marathon Center." They are a pretty big MAC sponsor, and it would make a lot of sense.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:30 am

Willie Sutton said he robbed banks "because that's where the money is".
With that in mind, let's push for the "Sky Financial Convocation Center"

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:41 am

"Sky Center" does have flow.

Rightupinthere · Post by **Rightupinthere** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:06 pm

Marathon Manége has a ring to it.

I like the idea of an oil company sponsoring the arena. It connect BG to its history rooted in oil production.

How about The Black Swamp Bowl?

Salsa · Post by **Salsa** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:11 pm

I'm betting on the Sydney J. Ribeau (have I got that right?) Convocation Center with a majority of the funding coming from the state.

This would be a fitting tribute to his great years as President of BG.

If that doesn't happen, maybe we'll see a Sydney J. Ribeau Admissions Center.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:50 pm

Salsa wrote:I'm betting on the Sydney J. Ribeau (have I got that right?) Convocation Center with a majority of the funding coming from the state.

I'd offer you that bet. My sense is a lot of this is going to have to be done privately. Academic buildings are one thing, sports facilities are another.

Value City Arena is worth looking at as an example. I believe there was some state support, but not a "majority."

HoopsFan · Post by **HoopsFan** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:14 am

hammb wrote:
ZiggyZoomba wrote: You see what we post and you catch the scores, but to go to games... it's just been tiresome. That's something I never thought I'd say about BG basketball.

I thiink I missed 2 home games this season. One of those was the UT game which I tried to make up for by going to the one in Toledo. In the beginning of the year the team was bad, but they were working hard, and I appreciated that. It wasn't really resulting in wins, but you could tell the group was giving it their all.

The key to our entire season was the Oakland game. It was the worst basketball game I've ever seen in several years. In fact, that's when I nailed BG's season record in the MAC.

How long does it take to build a parking lot? How many times to you have to suggest to Seeliger (sp) that they PAVE the area north of AA? Just putting down stone for a couple of years would increase parking. Don't give me that "greenspace" crap, there aren't any residence halls nearby.
When, or if, the new facility gets built, you can scrape up the stone and return the "greenspace". I would guess that you could collect $3-5 a car for parking and get more Olscamp hall visitors.

In a sense, once the players stopped listening to DD it became a better team to watch. It was tiresome to see the player looking at the coach instead of playing the game. My worst nightmare was seeing the ball in John Floyd's hands with 10 seconds on the shot clock. Amazingly, the whole season script was simple. The other team broke our token press and had the ball in the forecourt with 25 seconds on the clock, we got the ball between the circles with 15-20 seconds left and were passing the ball around the perimeter with 10 seconds left.

This season reminds me of Dee's last year in coaching. She played the same offensive style no matther what happened on, or off, the court. One of her problems was that she didn't have the talent to play that type of game. Our one-dimensional men's coach ought to figure it out, but hasn't.

Hoopsfan

BGorDeath · Post by **BGorDeath** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:24 am

For naming the arena, you should look for the Stroh Center.

Rightupinthere · Post by **Rightupinthere** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:28 am

svillefalcon wrote:
CrazyFan wrote: For all we know these kids are leaving cause they are tired of playing in these low grade, bush league facilities. And yes, I knw they knew this when they got here, but try playing 12 road games at other higher class arenas and then coming back home to AA. It's a slap in the face. I think we need to start focusing on our facilities a little more and DD a little less. He's proven he can win.

THANK YOU crazy fan, someone who actually knows what they are talking about. This is very true that when kids play a season or 2 here, they go out to play on the road and see the facilities other teams boast then go in for practice the next day at AA, they become discouraged. Dr. Ribeau and the board need to approve the convocation center to be built (if the havent already, i dont know) and get this program back on its feet, because this program is on the verge of becoming bed ridden...

Sorry, but facilities is a horse[expletive] reason for a kid to leave and I don't give it any credence what-so-ever.

If facilities was the reason they wouldn't have gone to BG in the first place. Also, I don't see any pattern where programs improve with a brand new arena.
OSU? Took them YEARS and some cheating to improve.
Missouri?
South Florida?

Please, enlighten me.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:46 am

Rightupinthere wrote:
svillefalcon wrote:
CrazyFan wrote: For all we know these kids are leaving cause they are tired of playing in these low grade, bush league facilities. And yes, I knw they knew this when they got here, but try playing 12 road games at other higher class arenas and then coming back home to AA. It's a slap in the face. I think we need to start focusing on our facilities a little more and DD a little less. He's proven he can win.

THANK YOU crazy fan, someone who actually knows what they are talking about. This is very true that when kids play a season or 2 here, they go out to play on the road and see the facilities other teams boast then go in for practice the next day at AA, they become discouraged. Dr. Ribeau and the board need to approve the convocation center to be built (if the havent already, i dont know) and get this program back on its feet, because this program is on the verge of becoming bed ridden...
Sorry, but facilities is a horse[expletive] reason for a kid to leave and I don't give it any credence what-so-ever.

If facilities was the reason they wouldn't have gone to BG in the first place. Also, I don't see any pattern where programs improve with a brand new arena.
OSU? Took them YEARS and some cheating to improve.
Missouri?
South Florida?

Please, enlighten me.

I'm in complete agreement with RUIT. If you honestly think that facilities are the reason that kids are transferring then you have obviously turned a blind eye to the truth.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:02 am

The mystery water pooling on the floor of the women's restroom is enough of a reason to keep my wife out of Anderson Arena. I doubt that's why Moon left...

dduncan · Post by **dduncan** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:02 am

Facilities might have a slight impact. And I emphasize slight.

BG doesn't have the talent to match up. It's that simple. Part of that problem could be the coaching staff not helping the player develop. Part of it could be the player, not dedicating himself at getting better. Part of it could be the loss of multiple transfers.

It's a pretty easy solution for me. The players don't like the system Dakich runs. I didn't happen to view most of the games, but if you look at the score, it seems that the team quit on the coach. There's really no reason to lose by the amount they lost to both Ohio and Toledo.

How do you expect the players to come ready to play next season when they know that they will have to go through another tough season (Ws and Ls) and also go through even tougher practices?

There needs to be new energy to the team and fans, positive energy. I just don't see any other way to fix it, other than hiring a new coach and more player friendly system.

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