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dduncan wrote:Facilities might have a slight impact. And I emphasize slight.

BG doesn't have the talent to match up. It's that simple. Part of that problem could be the coaching staff not helping the player develop. Part of it could be the player, not dedicating himself at getting better. Part of it could be the loss of multiple transfers.

It's a pretty easy solution for me. The players don't like the system Dakich runs. I didn't happen to view most of the games, but if you look at the score, it seems that the team quit on the coach. There's really no reason to lose by the amount they lost to both Ohio and Toledo.

How do you expect the players to come ready to play next season when they know that they will have to go through another tough season (Ws and Ls) and also go through even tougher practices?

There needs to be new energy to the team and fans, positive energy. I just don't see any other way to fix it, other than hiring a new coach and more player friendly system.

Whats the reason why BG doesnt have the talent? Because the "good" players do not want to come here and play in a highschool gym. Players nowadays dont give as much about the buildings history anymore than they do the appearance of it. Yes, AA has history, but none of you can tell me that it looks appealing to a potential recruit. Facilities have a much bigger impact on players coming to a school or not, than most of you think...Yes, I agree with everyone, a new coach should be #1 on our wish list, but we could very well use a new basketball arena...
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Whats the reason why BG doesnt have the talent? Because the "good" players do not want to come here and play in a highschool gym
Don't tell me that you think this is the #1 reason why good players do not want to come here and play.

As someone else mentioned, please explain to us why Eastern Michigan got all of those players to play in that hole of an arena in the 90s, yet can't seem to get anywhere near the same talent AFTER the new arena opened?
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Ben Braun had a lot to do with EMU's success. However, sustaining success long-term is tough because a good MAC team = coach leaving for another job in many instances. Therefore, EMU's new arena may look useless now, but a few good years could change that quickly. They just can't get ANYTHING going.
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svillefalcon wrote: Whats the reason why BG doesnt have the talent? Because the "good" players do not want to come here and play in a highschool gym. Players nowadays dont give as much about the buildings history anymore than they do the appearance of it. Yes, AA has history, but none of you can tell me that it looks appealing to a potential recruit. Facilities have a much bigger impact on players coming to a school or not, than most of you think...Yes, I agree with everyone, a new coach should be #1 on our wish list, but we could very well use a new basketball arena...
You still can't substantiate your claim that facilities is the reason.
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If a kid doesn't want to play in Anderson Arena, we don't want him.

If a kid doesn't want to play for Dan Dakich, we don't want him

If a kid doesn't want to cut his hair, we don't want him.

If a kid isn't at least three of the five following things, we don't want him

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This is all we ask...please comply or get the hell out!!!!
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svillefalcon wrote:Whats the reason why BG doesnt have the talent? Because the "good" players do not want to come here and play in a highschool gym.
Would someone please tell me how in the heck Anderson Arena is comparable to a high school gym?

I have been in a number of high schools throughout Northwest Ohio and in the Cincinnati/Dayton area. In addition, I grew up in Columbus. I have recruited high schools in North Carolina and in the state of Florida. I have spent a large amount of my time in high school gymnasiums and I can tell you that Anderson Arena is a lot different from 95% of the high school gymnasiums I have been in.

The problem with our basketball team is not the facilities. Maybe the problems for our fans is the facilities, but not for our team. When the basketball team is winning, Anderson Arena rocks. Tommy Amaker does not want to play us in Anderson Arena. Jud Heathcoate left Anderson Arena swearing he would never play us again on the road. No - quit blaming the facility because when the facility is full, Anderson Arena ROCKS! They don't call it 'The House That Roars' for nothing.

Unfortunately, our fan base is full of fair weather fans. Win - they come. Lose - well, there is an OSU game on ESPN that they'll watch instead.

In previous years, the crowds were our sixth man at many games. We came back from 20+ down against TU in 2005. Why? Packed house and the fans got into the game.

Why is it that Curt Miller can recruit good players to come to BG and play in "our high school gym"?

Why is it that Curt Miller and them women can win in Anderson Arena?

No, no, no. The problem is not Anderson Arena.
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Ben Braun had a lot to do with EMU's success.
Thank you for making my point. The head coach is the main reason, not the facility...
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transfer2BGSU wrote:
svillefalcon wrote:Whats the reason why BG doesnt have the talent? Because the "good" players do not want to come here and play in a highschool gym.
Would someone please tell me how in the heck Anderson Arena is comparable to a high school gym?

I have been in a number of high schools throughout Northwest Ohio and in the Cincinnati/Dayton area. In addition, I grew up in Columbus. I have recruited high schools in North Carolina and in the state of Florida. I have spent a large amount of my time in high school gymnasiums and I can tell you that Anderson Arena is a lot different from 95% of the high school gymnasiums I have been in.

The problem with our basketball team is not the facilities. Maybe the problems for our fans is the facilities, but not for our team. When the basketball team is winning, Anderson Arena rocks. Tommy Amaker does not want to play us in Anderson Arena. Jud Heathcoate left Anderson Arena swearing he would never play us again on the road. No - quit blaming the facility because when the facility is full, Anderson Arena ROCKS! They don't call it 'The House That Roars' for nothing.

Unfortunately, our fan base is full of fair weather fans. Win - they come. Lose - well, there is an OSU game on ESPN that they'll watch instead.

In previous years, the crowds were our sixth man at many games. We came back from 20+ down against TU in 2005. Why? Packed house and the fans got into the game.

Why is it that Curt Miller can recruit good players to come to BG and play in "our high school gym"?

Why is it that Curt Miller and them women can win in Anderson Arena?

No, no, no. The problem is not Anderson Arena.
Well the anwser to why Curt Miller is able to recruit pretty well is that girl may not worry or care about the look of their potenial new home arena as much as guys do. Thats my best estimated guess.
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svillefalcon wrote:
dduncan wrote:Facilities might have a slight impact. And I emphasize slight.

BG doesn't have the talent to match up. It's that simple. Part of that problem could be the coaching staff not helping the player develop. Part of it could be the player, not dedicating himself at getting better. Part of it could be the loss of multiple transfers.

It's a pretty easy solution for me. The players don't like the system Dakich runs. I didn't happen to view most of the games, but if you look at the score, it seems that the team quit on the coach. There's really no reason to lose by the amount they lost to both Ohio and Toledo.

How do you expect the players to come ready to play next season when they know that they will have to go through another tough season (Ws and Ls) and also go through even tougher practices?

There needs to be new energy to the team and fans, positive energy. I just don't see any other way to fix it, other than hiring a new coach and more player friendly system.

Whats the reason why BG doesnt have the talent? Because the "good" players do not want to come here and play in a highschool gym. Players nowadays dont give as much about the buildings history anymore than they do the appearance of it. Yes, AA has history, but none of you can tell me that it looks appealing to a potential recruit. Facilities have a much bigger impact on players coming to a school or not, than most of you think...Yes, I agree with everyone, a new coach should be #1 on our wish list, but we could very well use a new basketball arena...


BG's recruiting over the past 4 years, when you look at who we originally sign, stacks up fairly decently compared to the rest of the MAC. BG lacks the talent not because of bad recruiting but because of the high transfer rate. It's silly silly silly silly silly to think that players sign with BG and then turn around and transfer because of AA.

I too don't think the facilities affect our recruiting that much. Let's consider some programs that have better facilities than ours: Cleveland State, Eastern Michigan, and Wright State. Now, let's consider programs that have facilities roughly comparable: Kent State and Akron.
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falconboy wrote:Well the anwser to why Curt Miller is able to recruit pretty well is that girl may not worry or care about the look of their potenial new home arena as much as guys do. Thats my best estimated guess.
Or just point at the NCAA banners.
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falconboy wrote:Well the anwser to why Curt Miller is able to recruit pretty well is that girl may not worry or care about the look of their potenial new home arena as much as guys do. Thats my best estimated guess.
Or just point at the NCAA banners.
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falconboy wrote:Well the anwser to why Curt Miller is able to recruit pretty well is that girl may not worry or care about the look of their potenial new home arena as much as guys do. Thats my best estimated guess.
Riiiight, A woman not caring about the looks and appearances of something :wink:
Your estimated guess most suffer from lack of personal experience with women :twisted:
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BleedOrange wrote:
svillefalcon wrote:
dduncan wrote:Facilities might have a slight impact. And I emphasize slight.

BG doesn't have the talent to match up. It's that simple. Part of that problem could be the coaching staff not helping the player develop. Part of it could be the player, not dedicating himself at getting better. Part of it could be the loss of multiple transfers.

It's a pretty easy solution for me. The players don't like the system Dakich runs. I didn't happen to view most of the games, but if you look at the score, it seems that the team quit on the coach. There's really no reason to lose by the amount they lost to both Ohio and Toledo.

How do you expect the players to come ready to play next season when they know that they will have to go through another tough season (Ws and Ls) and also go through even tougher practices?

There needs to be new energy to the team and fans, positive energy. I just don't see any other way to fix it, other than hiring a new coach and more player friendly system.

Whats the reason why BG doesnt have the talent? Because the "good" players do not want to come here and play in a highschool gym. Players nowadays dont give as much about the buildings history anymore than they do the appearance of it. Yes, AA has history, but none of you can tell me that it looks appealing to a potential recruit. Facilities have a much bigger impact on players coming to a school or not, than most of you think...Yes, I agree with everyone, a new coach should be #1 on our wish list, but we could very well use a new basketball arena...


BG's recruiting over the past 4 years, when you look at who we originally sign, stacks up fairly decently compared to the rest of the MAC. BG lacks the talent not because of bad recruiting but because of the high transfer rate. It's silly silly silly silly silly to think that players sign with BG and then turn around and transfer because of AA.

I too don't think the facilities affect our recruiting that much. Let's consider some programs that have better facilities than ours: Cleveland State, Eastern Michigan, and Wright State. Now, let's consider programs that have facilities roughly comparable: Kent State and Akron.

Yes, they are similar, but heres the thing...those schools actually take care of it. Anderson Arena is falling apart. There is duct tape holding together a lot of the bleachers. You can compare these arenas if we were to take care of Anderson Arena, but its obvious that we dont.
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PGY Tiercel wrote:
falconboy wrote:Well the anwser to why Curt Miller is able to recruit pretty well is that girl may not worry or care about the look of their potenial new home arena as much as guys do. Thats my best estimated guess.
Riiiight, A woman not caring about the looks and appearances of something :wink:
Your estimated guess most suffer from lack of personal experience with women :twisted:

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