Let's have a little fun with this, how'd you run a playoff??

BG SBall Fan · Post by **BG SBall Fan** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:32 pm

Why make a point on something that's a waste of time?

And making it into the tournament will bring in recruits, just as a bowl will. Too much negativity. You're telling me that our squad or the Miami squad in 2003 couldn't make a tournament run? Look at that BG team. Wins over Purdue and Northwestern, and a 7 point defeat to the defending National Champs. We lost 3 games that year to 2 teams ranked in the top 10. How about a Boise State of a few years back? Or the Urban Meyer Utah teams? All teams that could run with the big boys. Look at the NCAA basketball tournament right now. George Mason, Wichitah State, and Bradley are going to make a killing in recruiting over the rest of their respected conferences simply because they're making a tournament run. This could easily happen to any mid-major in college football. A playoff is the only true way to have a national champion.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:47 pm

Sball fan and I are on the same page. Playing in/winning a playoff game is infinitely more important to the program than a bowl game ever would be. Bowl games are all about corporate sponsorships and fans traveling to a nice site for a game that means nothing. Bowl games are for casual fans who are more interested in where the game is at then the game itself. For a playoff game, location is irrelevant. It is all about playing for a national championship, which should be the goal of every Div IA program.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:56 pm

NWLB wrote: I would stay home, so would most people.

I truly don't think you have the authority to speak for the rest of the fans in FalconNation.

NWLB wrote:quot;]So winning our past four bowl games doesn't mean anything? Truly, losing a playoff game you don't have a chance to win anyway means something then.

Your negativity toward the possibility of actually winning a playoff game is tiresome.

NWLB wrote:So if its only about the teams that can advance, why bother sending BG or any MAC school? Because you've just admitted it means nothing, thus there isn't anything to follow or care about from BG's point of view. So give us our bowl games and be done with it.

I said most likely to advance. I didn't say a team such as BG could never advance. But my logical thinking tells me that 95 out of 100 times it would be the BCS team that wins so I addressed the attendance issue with that thought in mind.

As for your bowl games, those could still exist. Any team that is not in the playoff can still play ing the Walnut Bowl, MPC Computers Bowl, Gallery Furniture Houston Bowl and what have you.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:38 pm

Personally I HATE Bowl games. Especially for our level. I watch and root for the MAC teams. I enjoy the BCS games to watch the best teams play one another. But all the other bowl games I'm only watching because I want to see certain draft prospects.

Our bowl games are pointless and are the joke of college football. Nobody cares about them outside of fans of the two schools involved. It's fun to say we made it to a bowl, and that we won a bowl, but in the end who give's a crap? Nobody outside of us and our opponents.

A chance to play in a playoff that could lead to the national championship is 10x better from a publicity standpoint and has got to be more fun for all involved. Millions of people, nationwide, watch the early round of the hoops tourney rooting for the little guys, you don't think the same would happen for football as well? It'd be even more prevalent, in my mind. I can guarandamntee you that it will further the program more to play in such a system than being able to tell recruits that we beat the #8 Big 10 team in the Motor City Bowl baby!

As for attendance issues, I would be a million times more likely to attend a playoff game than a bowl game. I assume that most playoff games would be on weekends, making them more manageable than a Wednesday night bowl game in Mobile, or something. I went to the Motor City Bowl because I had that day off work anyways and it was right down the road, but I would never fly across the country to watch us play in a meaningless bowl game (except maybe Las Vegas...good excuse). I would consider flying across the country to see us play in a playoff game that carried some meaning.

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:04 pm

Warthog wrote: I truly don't think you have the authority to speak for the rest of the fans in FalconNation.
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Your negativity toward the possibility of actually winning a playoff game is tiresome.
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I said most likely to advance. I didn't say a team such as BG could never advance. But my logical thinking tells me that 95 out of 100 times it would be the BCS team that wins so I addressed the attendance issue with that thought in mind.

As for your bowl games, those could still exist. Any team that is not in the playoff can still play ing the Walnut Bowl, MPC Computers Bowl, Gallery Furniture Houston Bowl and what have you.

Kindly don't put words into my mouth about being an "authority" and then leverage them against me. I spoke about what I feel is the case. I don't see most MAC teams taking a vast number of fans to most places on the road, much less a tourney game they don't have a prayer of winning. And if I don't think they can win, history and stats are firmly on my side of the debate.

What is tiresome is somebody starting this kind of thread, and when somebody disagrees, acting like I or another shot their puppy. But it comes every year, and so be it. I don't agree with the idea of a playoff, nor do many or most people, but folks act as if it is lunacy to do so.

I don't see the bowls ending under most playoff systems. I do see a playoff setting the MAC back more than 15 years in terms of securing games. For as meaningless as you say bowls are, there sure are a lot of teams really happy to get them from all conferences. And I don't want to see a back-flood of major conference teams bump us out of games we have fought for decades to get. The only thing I do know, is that teams and fans leaving a game their team lost, regardless of it being a bowl or playoff contest, feel a lot less happy than when they win any game, including a bowl. I don't see the superiority of teams trying to gird for a game they know they aren't supposed to win, trying to give themselves moral consolation at getting hammered by a much better team, and end the year on a losing note.

And no, I don't think any team I've seen at BGSU, during the last 15 years, could do more than look good against a top five program in a playoff. Maybe, just maybe, once every ten years, a single team, most likely not BGSU, will win a first-round game. But what does that earn them? Whoopee, we tied for 8th place with a bunch of other teams. Sorry if that rubs people and their playoff dreams the wrong way. Actually, I'm not sorry, it is a hint they should should give-up on the concept itself.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:16 pm

NWLB wrote:Kindly don't put words into my mouth about being an "authority" and then leverage them against me.

Here is exactly what you said earliier:

"One in ten BG fans that can go to a bowl, might be able to make a futile playoff game, and most won't exactly because the game is almost unwinnable"

To me, that sounds like you are acting as the authority on this subject.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:22 pm

NWLB wrote: I don't agree with the idea of a playoff, nor do many or most people

Again, another "authority on the subject" statement that, in my opinion, is incorrect. Do you have any kind of poll/data that can prove this point that most people are not interested in a playoff? I never claimed that most wanted a playoff. We are just trying to have some fun scheming up ideas about a mythical playoff system that I think most people understand is just a pipe dream. But you have to come in and be the proverbial turd in the punch bowl and make this a pissing contest about what system would be better, playoff or bowls.

I am so glad you wasted your time on a topic that, as you put it, is a waste of time.

BG SBall Fan · Post by **BG SBall Fan** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:56 pm

Wathog, have you seen my puppy? I just heard a gun shot!

Come on man, I mean I made this topic last night at 5am because I couldn't sleep and I have ADD. This is my favorite time of the year for college basketball and all I wanted to see was what other people thought. Not how to cut down everybody's ideas. I mean where do you think you're gonna get by arguing with people on a topic that is a waste of time to you? I've enjoyed everyone's ideas here. I don't get the negativity but whatever makes you happy. You have at it while I sit here and shake my head in amazement.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:24 pm

I just wanna know where '87 is, and why he hasn't chimed in yet...

This Warthog & hammb -vs- NWLB & 87Alum fight has been a good one for the past few years. You can count on this topic coming up in the offseason pretty much every year

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:50 pm

Schadenfreude wrote:I'd go 16 teams, with 11 automatic conference bids and five at-larges.

I don't see the point of a rule requiring a conference title game. Is anyone suggesting the Pac 10 or Big East needs one?

that would do it just fine, and then add that those teams eliminated in the first round could be tossed in to a bowl match up game as well, via the current system

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:54 pm

MACMAN wrote:
Schadenfreude wrote:I'd go 16 teams, with 11 automatic conference bids and five at-larges.

I don't see the point of a rule requiring a conference title game. Is anyone suggesting the Pac 10 or Big East needs one?
that would do it just fine, and then add that those teams eliminated in the first round could be tossed in to a bowl match up game as well, via the current system

and by the way...the talking at espn paid for a poll of college football fans last year..and 73% want a playoff of some sort. i believe the poll asked if folks would support an 8 team play off. which equated to in thier eyes..the top 8 in the BCS.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:39 pm

NWLB wrote:
So if its only about the teams that can advance, why bother sending BG or any MAC school? Because you've just admitted it means nothing, thus there isn't anything to follow or care about from BG's point of view. So give us our bowl games and be done with it.

I disagree. I just went to West Lafayette and enjoyed one of the most exciting atmospheres I've ever been a part of. I knew going in that BG had an ok chance of winning one game, an okay chance of getting to the sweet 16, a very very slim chance of going beyond that, and a 0% chance of winning the whole thing. I still had a blast. Having BG be part of that tournament the last two years has been my most satisfying experience as a BG fan. Getting to play on that kind of stage is ten times the reward for a great season IMO than going down to Memphis on a weeknight playing in a game that nobody outside of BG fans, opposing fans, and a few locals care about.

I'm all for a playoff, because March Madness is the best time of year IMO. Ask the elite 8 KSU team whether they would rather go to the tournament or get a bonus game against the 6th place B11 team at the end of the year. I think a lot more BG fans would care a lot more than you think, and I also think a lot more people nationally would favor a playoff than you think would.

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:49 pm

hammb wrote:I just wanna know where '87 is, and why he hasn't chimed in yet...

This Warthog & hammb -vs- NWLB & 87Alum fight has been a good one for the past few years. You can count on this topic coming up in the offseason pretty much every year

We need t-shirts.

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:50 pm

MACMAN wrote:
MACMAN wrote:
Schadenfreude wrote:I'd go 16 teams, with 11 automatic conference bids and five at-larges.

I don't see the point of a rule requiring a conference title game. Is anyone suggesting the Pac 10 or Big East needs one?
that would do it just fine, and then add that those teams eliminated in the first round could be tossed in to a bowl match up game as well, via the current system
and by the way...the talking at espn paid for a poll of college football fans last year..and 73% want a playoff of some sort. i believe the poll asked if folks would support an 8 team play off. which equated to in thier eyes..the top 8 in the BCS.

ESPN paying for a poll is like Bill Clinton paying to find out what the meaning of Is is.

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