Anthony Turner, Ryan Patrick Arrested

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Schadenfreude wrote:Perspective, fellas. Please.

Remember, the possession charge is a minor misdemeanor.

In the eyes of Ohio law, it is a bigger crime to set off fireworks without a license. That's a first-degree misdemeanor.

In the eyes of Ohio law, it is also a bigger crime to drink while underage. That's also a first-degree misdemeanor, I believe.

If Turner had been charged with illegally setting off fireworks (or underage drinking), should he have have been suspended?

I don't think Brandon should hold Turner out of practice. The time is too valuable.
Is your suggestion then that these two players not be punished at all? Spring Practice is too important, fall practice is too important, the Wisky game is too important, on and on. Something has to be done. I agree that Spring Practice is very valuable, but they need to be punished in some form and while my original post was meant that they should not be practicing with the time in the traditional fashion, I agree that running them during practice would be acceptable.

Should AT have been punished for setting off fireworks, of course. But, I don't care what Ohio Law says, in my mind and probably most of us and the coaches, smoking pot is worse. Heck, in Ohio a child rapist can get off without jail time.
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Schadenfreude wrote:Perspective, fellas. Please.

Remember, the possession charge is a minor misdemeanor.

In the eyes of Ohio law, it is a bigger crime to set off fireworks without a license. That's a first-degree misdemeanor.

In the eyes of Ohio law, it is also a bigger crime to drink while underage. That's also a first-degree misdemeanor, I believe.

If Turner had been charged with illegally setting off fireworks (or underage drinking), should he have have been suspended?

I don't think Brandon should hold Turner out of practice. The time is too valuable.
I know there is a reason you mention that, right? Or is it just a coincidence? This is Turner's 2nd brush with the law since he has been at BG. His first offense was actually for illegally setting off fireworks during his redshirt season.

I don't know as much as you guys do about your football program, but I have heard that the coaches are high on Freddie Barnes. I bet this means he gets the chance this Spring to show his stuff, and you never know. He may turnout to be better than Turner and he is just a redshirt freshman this season.
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I disagree. While it wasn't a first-degree misdemeanor, it was still WRONG. To do nothing about it would send the wrong message to everyone involved: the players, the team, the fans, the students, the university, and the public. Action does need to be taken, and I am curious to see what that will be.
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Schadenfreude wrote:Perspective, fellas. Please.

Remember, the possession charge is a minor misdemeanor.

In the eyes of Ohio law, it is a bigger crime to set off fireworks without a license. That's a first-degree misdemeanor.

In the eyes of Ohio law, it is also a bigger crime to drink while underage. That's also a first-degree misdemeanor, I believe.

If Turner had been charged with illegally setting off fireworks (or underage drinking), should he have have been suspended?

I don't think Brandon should hold Turner out of practice. The time is too valuable.
I think you make a really good point here, Schad, but I can't fault people for being extremely disappointed by AT's actions. I doubt he will be missing any practice or playing time, but there are those out there who rightfully expect more out of a starting quarterback than smoking pot at 3:00 in the morning in the Offenhauer parking lot. Its all well and good to say that all members of a football team are equals, but unfortunately for AT, especially having been preceeded by QB's like Harris and Jacobs, people are going to have much higher expectations for him. I really hope that Anthony and the other guy (who I must admit I've never heard of before) are able to not only learn from this experience, but also to serve as a constructive example for their teamates and their community. Anthony, though, will have to work especially hard.
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I imagine the posts here thinking this is no big deal mirror those posted by Virginia Tech fans when Marcus Vick starting acting up.
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San Diego Falcon wrote:I imagine the posts here thinking this is no big deal mirror those posted by Virginia Tech fans when Marcus Vick starting acting up.
Whoa. I'm in the party of "there needs to be some punishment" here, but this and Ron New Mexico are like night and day. In fact, I wouldn't even compare this to the Wisky fans (and not all of them, I might add) who saw nothing wrong with Booker Stanley shoving a chick and rearranging that dude's forehead last summer.
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98_BG_GRAD wrote:Is your suggestion then that these two players not be punished at all?
No. That is not my suggestion.
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San Diego Falcon wrote:I imagine the posts here thinking this is no big deal mirror those posted by Virginia Tech fans when Marcus Vick starting acting up.
Let's try and keep the comparisons in the "apples to apples" bin of our mental produce department.
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Whoa. I'm in the party of "there needs to be some punishment" here, but this and Ron New Mexico are like night and day.
I believe Vick's initial problems were "only" marijuana-related. My point is that action needs to be taken now before bigger issues arise within the program.
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Must say I am disappointed to hear about this. It is just a stupid thing to do. But anyone that thinks Turner and Patrick should not participate in spring drills is way of base. Turner is not going to be suspended for an entire season nor kicked off the team. Meaning come Sept 9, he is probably going to be under center for the Falcons. Suspending him for spring drills hurts the rest of the team as much as it hurts Turner himself. One non-conf game at the beginning of the season seems appropriate to me. Especially since that game is one of our most high profile games we have ever played. To have to sit on the sideline for that one hopefully will be enough for him to realize what a mistake he made.
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San Diego Falcon wrote: I believe Vick's initial problems were "only" marijuana-related.
Nah, he tried to tag some teenage girls first. And the weed stuff was accompanied by some reckless op.

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Should we do a poll regarding the appropriate level of disciplinary action, or is that out of line?
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If Anthony Turner is the starting QB for the Wisconsin game Gregg Brandon will have succeeded in losing every iota of respect I ever had for the man. It's one thing to be a mediocre coach, it's another thing entirely to not discipline your players when they screw up. I know that it would hurt our chances against Wisconsin, but I don't care.
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I would also like to see them both suspended for a game.

They should also be placed in burlap bags and beaten during Spring practice.

I am 99.9% sure neither of the preceding punishments will take place, and it makes me want to puke.
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Jacobs4Heisman wrote:I would also like to see them both suspended for a game.

They should also be placed in burlap bags and beaten during Spring practice.

I am 99.9% sure neither of the preceding punishments will take place, and it makes me want to puke.
HAHA

I don't care if they get beaten or not. I don't even care if they miss any spring drills. Let them practice, that's fine with me. In fact you start the punishment with extra conditioning/running stuff, and the entire team must participate thanks to those guys. You make sure it's well known that the reason you are running until the point of collapse is because two of our teammates f***ed up. That's the internal punishment that sets an example to the team and teaches you a lesson.

The public punishment that lets the rest of us know you still have control over the program is a 1 game suspension. I'm not asking for a season or kicking them off the team. It is only a minor infraction in my eyes and those of the law. Still it deserves a one game suspension, with the knowledge that another infraction will result in a more severe punishment.
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