Anthony Turner, Ryan Patrick Arrested

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 8:00 am

I second those kudos to Transfer....the great thing about this site is that we have a number of very bright people who don't mind sharing thier experise.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 8:33 am

USGFreddie05-06 wrote:As a former President of USG, I can tell you that they would be removed from the organization if they were busted for this type of behavior.

I really don't mean to be argumentative. But as someone who, back in my day, ... um... saw more than one USG senator engage in "this type of behavior," I'm having an extremely difficult time believing this.

The office of campus involvement and most orgnanizations require their membership to be in "good standing" with the university. These events would not put you in good standing, to say the least.

I don't share your assumption. I don't know the BGSU diciplinary procedures, in part because I never went through them.

The papers say Turner may go on probation of some kind. My strong hunch: That's still good standing.

Seems to me the "good standing" rule is simply about defining who is and who isn't a BGSU student.

I don't see anything preventing A.T. from running for (or being appointed) USG senator right now, if he had any interest.

Yes, it is a bigger story because the young men are football players, but most students would be removed from there leadership positions on campus.

The spring of my sophomore year, I was convicted of disorderly conduct off campus when police busted up an off campus party. The summer before my senior year, I was arrested (and later convicted) of drunken driving within sight of campus by campus police -- a much more serious offense than the allegations now facing Turner or Patrick.

Neither incident triggered campus disciplinary procedures (and I'm guessing that's because neither occurred on campus). Neither had any effect on my leadership positions at the student newspaper. Neither had any impact on my academic full ride.

And that fall, while one particular member of the student publications advisory board summoned up a great deal of moral outrage about my drunken driving conviction during my interview for editor of the school paper, cooler heads prevailed, and I was given the job the next spring.

I don't want to sound arrogant, but the student publications board made the right decision, too. I had already been punished for what I had done: $1,000 fine, three days in the pokey, and my license was suspended for a long time.

It was legitimate for the board to consider whether my alcohol-related crimes had a bearing on my ability to be a good editor for the student newspaper.

The reality, though, was that my crimes had no bearing at all on that. I was not alcohol dependent in the least. I just tended to binge a little too often when I did drink -- which, frankly, put me in good company with some of the other BG Newsers, at least half the hockey team and the entire rugby club.

I've got more to say about this, and I realize there are some complexities to A.T.'s situation that don't make his experience a perfect analogy to my campus experience. Maybe I'll devote it to another post, because this one is getting long.

I'll conclude with this: I don't particularly enjoy sharing this information about myself, but I'm having a very difficult time just sitting back and watching as people propose absolutely insane punishments for A.T.

Read the police blotter in The BG News. Students are in that thing every single day. One out of every 200 BGSU students is on the football team. Once in a while, a football player is going to make an appearance in the blotter. At the end of they day, our football players are young men not much different from anyone else on campus.

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:05 am

From Today's Blade:

BGSU coach Gregg Brandon released a statement yesterday saying he would handle discipline for Turner internally and planned to use the case as "an opportunity to teach not only Anthony, but our entire team that they are going to be held to a higher standard regarding their actions."

goofyeuph · Post by **goofyeuph** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:28 am

dduncan wrote:
Another member of the board here, Falcons4Life, was in the Falcon Marching Band with me, and on the trip to the Motor City Bowl he jumped into the hotel pool after the game, while he was still in his uniform. Following this incident, he was kicked out of the FMB, a band fraternity that he was a member of, and forbidden to join any other groups in the College of Musical Arts.
Ok, non topic here. He was kicked out for jumping in a pool? Was it because he was in uniform? Or because he jumped into a pool? I don't get it. There's got to be some other part to the story. If not, that is just laughable.

And why stay at a hotel AFTER the game? Not that BG isn't very far, eh?

Not really a non topic. Someone else made a comment that if they were in the band, the punishment wouldn't be that harsh. bgmaggot00 was showing what the punishment was for what most "normal" (i.e. non band people) would precive as a lesser offense. I don't think the uniform incident was a isolated one, and there other problems that lead to his expusion from any and all things in the CMA. It's really not too hard to see the parallels.

And why did we stay in a hotel after the Motor City Bowl?? For the same reason the football team stayed in one...Because the NCAA and the Motor City Bowl put us up in one.

tekekini · Post by **tekekini** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:29 am

this was an OSU player...you would all be going nuts....but its not..its a BG player.

You are now realizing that things happen to you too

remember a few weeks ago all of you threw a fit because the kicker from OSU was allowed to come back and COMPETE for a job on the team after being kicked off for marijuana?

I garuntee you AT wont be kicked off and he WILL keep his scholly and he will sit out maybe 1 game.

lol

Peregrinner · Post by **Peregrinner** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:31 am

I knew it was only a matter of time.
Wasn't Skeete's offense drug trafficking?

Rightupinthere · Post by **Rightupinthere** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:52 am

When I won the job of Drum Major of the marching band, I was basically told that I was to conduct myself in a matter which accompanied a leadership role. I was to be the example. Both Delaine and I had similar meeting with different emphasis.

Not to do so would lead to ultimate removal from the position and potentially the band.

Had I even been convicted of disorderly conduct - regardless of circumstances, I have no doubt I would have been removed from my post and probably the organization as a whole.

I'm not saying anyone should be kicked off of the team, but there should be fitting punishment.

San Diego Falcon · Post by **San Diego Falcon** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 10:32 am

The various views expressed here regarding the appropriate level of disciplinary action for this incident likely reflects the diversity in opinions regarding the appropriate level of punishment for societal offenses in general. Some lean toward Amsterdam; others lean toward Singapore.

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 10:40 am

Well said, SD.

ffejfalcon · Post by **ffejfalcon** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 10:46 am

orangeandbrown wrote:From Today's Blade:

BGSU coach Gregg Brandon released a statement yesterday saying he would handle discipline for Turner internally and planned to use the case as "an opportunity to teach not only Anthony, but our entire team that they are going to be held to a higher standard regarding their actions."

No that's more like it!! Brandon will do the right thing here I'm sure.

Grant said it right..If you break the law and commit a crime, you are a criminal. Simple.

I look at it this way too..I drive a company vehicle. If I get busted with drugs or get a dui, I loose my job!! Period. Sure it would be fun to get stoned on the weekends with my buds, but there is no way I'm going to risk losing my job. Is this really any diffrent???

BourbonFalcon · Post by **BourbonFalcon** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:06 am

this was an OSU player...you would all be going nuts....but its not..its a BG player.

You are now realizing that things happen to YOU too

I could be wrong, but I interpret your post as this is happening to BG fans? Wouldn't this be happening to you as well (assuming you are one)? I'm glad you consider yourself a part of the BG fan base with the rest of us. Glad to have you aboard!

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:08 am

Thinking the past day or so...I wonder how much of the arguments here are based on those who have experience with weed vs. those who don't?

It seems to me that those who have used/seriously been around the stuff may be more likely to equate it with a public intox type crime, whereas those with lesser or no experience may equate it with "OMG DRUGS!"

Personally, I fall well past "disappointed", but way way short of "outraged" on the matter. I have no clue what a proper punishment should be/should have been, I think a game might be a touch harsh, but reasonable if that's what has been decided by the coaching staff, kicked off the team would be a severe overreaction, I believe. Mostly, I just hate that something like this happened on our campus.

Falconballer · Post by **Falconballer** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:18 am

This is my first time posting on this site but I've been viewing it for a couple years now. The current AT situation will be handled as follows: Ryan Patrick is being kicked off the team for Lying to coach Brandon. AT came clean and he is being suspended for the Wisconson game. However, he will also be brutalized in the weight room, and will have many early morning runs. Along with those punishments he will also lose the respect of many of the players on the team, which can be much harder on a player. Even though AT screwed up, if anything it could be a blessing afterall. AT has been very soft this off-season he thinks everything will just be handed to him and he has it made. He hasnt looked very sharp in the passing drills and the other QB's are working much harder than him. Hopefully this experience will wake him up and he will figure it out. AT is a good kid, who just made a stupid decision. He has the raw talent to become another great QB at BG its just a matter of if he is willing to pay the price.

PGY Tiercel · Post by **PGY Tiercel** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:32 am

Falconballer wrote:This is my first time posting on this site but I've been viewing it for a couple years now. The current AT situation will be handled as follows: Ryan Patrick is being kicked off the team for Lying to coach Brandon. AT came clean and he is being suspended for the Wisconson game. However, he will also be brutalized in the weight room, and will have many early morning runs. Along with those punishments he will also lose the respect of many of the players on the team, which can be much harder on a player. Even though AT screwed up, if anything it could be a blessing afterall. AT has been very soft this off-season he thinks everything will just be handed to him and he has it made. He hasnt looked very sharp in the passing drills and the other QB's are working much harder than him. Hopefully this experience will wake him up and he will figure it out. AT is a good kid, who just made a stupid decision. He has the raw talent to become another great QB at BG its just a matter of if he is willing to pay the price.

Everything you said there seems reasonable and well thought out. I think Brandon made the right move with Ryan for lying to him. How can you coach a kid you behaves like that before playing one game. Makes me wonder why he really transfered to begin with. With him sitting out for the Wisconsin game, it sounds like there might be some VERY tough competition for the QB spot, especially if whoever starts plays well in that game.

Post by **ZiggyZoomba** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:34 am

Thanks for that info baller!

As to the argument that this is an argument for/against marijuana use... I don't see it that way at all.

I see it as a young man in a leadership role as the quarterback of a division I football program at a school that has recently produced some of the most talked about quarterbacks in college football. I don't care WHAT the offense was, it could have been jay-walking... he, and others in similar positions, need to understand that they're in the public eye and they represent more than just themselves.

AT will learn this lesson the hard way.

Personally, I don't care if the guys want to toke it up a little bit in the off season before spring drills start. However, they need to remember the position they're in and practice discretion based upon that status. It's this status that makes them different than you and I were when we were in school, or that the psych major is, or that the USG president is....

Yes, these are kids. College kids. BUT these are exceptional kids who are living under exceptional circumstances. They need to be aware of that at ALL TIMES and take appropriate measures to insure that they represent all their interests with the proper and expected grace, dignity and maturity.

For me it's not about pot, cops, or anything else, it's 100% about respect.

Anthony Turner, Ryan Patrick Arrested

Re: Turner/Patrick

My final take on all this....