Really that leaves one play for them...the car home!Brandon complains about attendance in Blade
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Just now reading these posts- fine win. Tech83, I echo your very well thought out post. I also understand the other posts about frustration, show up anyway etc. But Tech hits my thoughts pretty well.
Coach Brandon is fine coach and a better person. Like me, he sometimes seems to speak right from the heart. That's OK, but if I'm Coach and I want to talk about attendance in a press conference I am using the type of language Tech83 is saying AND I am spending three times as long thanking students as I am criticizing everyone else.
The student turnout was AWESOME. THANK YOU students. The support our student body gives our football team is super. Hey, we had a sub freezing wind chill with 30 MPH wind continuous, threat of rain, rain and sleet. Our kids did an great job. Keep coming out, guys- we need you and we love your support.
Maybe I'll post again on this topic, but those are my basic thoughts.
Go Falcons!
Coach Brandon is fine coach and a better person. Like me, he sometimes seems to speak right from the heart. That's OK, but if I'm Coach and I want to talk about attendance in a press conference I am using the type of language Tech83 is saying AND I am spending three times as long thanking students as I am criticizing everyone else.
The student turnout was AWESOME. THANK YOU students. The support our student body gives our football team is super. Hey, we had a sub freezing wind chill with 30 MPH wind continuous, threat of rain, rain and sleet. Our kids did an great job. Keep coming out, guys- we need you and we love your support.
Maybe I'll post again on this topic, but those are my basic thoughts.
Go Falcons!
Something that I haven't heard is how many people from the east stands sat on the west side Saturday, because the wind was blowing right into our face. I personally know 8 people that went to the west side to sit. This might have made the student turnout look a little better and the east side a little less.
Even with the game being a huge blown out, I was excited and enjoyed it to the very end. It has been 20 years since I had been to a home coming game at a college and that was at Kent State and they totally sucked then as now.
Saturdays game was my third football game in under 24 hours. I attended the local HS game on Friday night and then attended the local HS JV game on saturday morning (Corey's brother Austin starts on JV) and then rushed to the car at the end of the game to high tail it to the BG game. A 3 hour drive later I was greeted by one of the greatest spectacles I have seen. All the people and the tents and parties. It was awesome, I wish I had arrived earlier to enjoy more of that.
As to attendance, yes the students showed up in force. That was great, the remainder of the crowd was a little disappointing, but a couple of points come to my mind. Some of you may not appreciate one of them.
1. The weather, I know that kept many people away. If the opponent had provided a better match up many would have came even in the rain and wind. I know my wife didn't come due to the cold, wind and rain.
2. Many locals my be soft fans, they support local teams and that includes Toledo. With Ohio playing Toledo earlier in the day many soft locals may have opted to go to that game due to a better match up. That game was also played earlier and the weather was better earlier in the day.
Those two items may have caused 3,000 fans or more not to show up. Two more weeks left in the High School season for my son Austin and I. Then we will be there for the rest of them. It's Just unfortunate that Austin plays on Saturdays, but with Corey red-shirted, I have to opt for Austin's games. Next Year will not be an issue, Austin will play on Friday nights and on Saturdays we will be there for everyone.
P.S. I don't blame the students for leaving early, with the weather and the blowout, the interest was not there. They showed their support by being there for the kick off and first half.
Go Falcons!
Saturdays game was my third football game in under 24 hours. I attended the local HS game on Friday night and then attended the local HS JV game on saturday morning (Corey's brother Austin starts on JV) and then rushed to the car at the end of the game to high tail it to the BG game. A 3 hour drive later I was greeted by one of the greatest spectacles I have seen. All the people and the tents and parties. It was awesome, I wish I had arrived earlier to enjoy more of that.
As to attendance, yes the students showed up in force. That was great, the remainder of the crowd was a little disappointing, but a couple of points come to my mind. Some of you may not appreciate one of them.
1. The weather, I know that kept many people away. If the opponent had provided a better match up many would have came even in the rain and wind. I know my wife didn't come due to the cold, wind and rain.
2. Many locals my be soft fans, they support local teams and that includes Toledo. With Ohio playing Toledo earlier in the day many soft locals may have opted to go to that game due to a better match up. That game was also played earlier and the weather was better earlier in the day.
Those two items may have caused 3,000 fans or more not to show up. Two more weeks left in the High School season for my son Austin and I. Then we will be there for the rest of them. It's Just unfortunate that Austin plays on Saturdays, but with Corey red-shirted, I have to opt for Austin's games. Next Year will not be an issue, Austin will play on Friday nights and on Saturdays we will be there for everyone.
P.S. I don't blame the students for leaving early, with the weather and the blowout, the interest was not there. They showed their support by being there for the kick off and first half.
Go Falcons!
I could not agree more, but again, this is a marketing issue. The University sets Homecoming, not the league. So why not set it for a major game, like Toledo, NIU, Miami, or Marshall. Then you can garantee a large crowd, BUT not a victory. What's more important? A victory or a large crowd.1987alum wrote:17,000 for a homecoming game? Honestly, that's just ridiculous. Homecoming should be one of the biggest crowds of the season practically every year..
I remember coming back for Homecoming in 1984 vs. Toledo. If memory serves me correctly, it rained, Toledo won a close game and it was a packed house.
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So we either wait until November to have Marshall as the homecoming game and then listen to everyone complain about it being too cold or we wait until fall 2005 to have Homecoming since UT and Northern Illinois aren't home games for us this year and Miami isn't even on the schedule.Tech83 wrote:The University sets Homecoming, not the league. So why not set it for a major game, like Toledo, NIU, Miami, or Marshall.
You're damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Agreed. It seems we like to have a bad team play on HC, so we can make sure to win while all the alum and distinguised persons are watching.1987alum wrote:I don't think we should need a Marshall or Toledo for homecoming to draw a big crowd. We'll get a big crowd for them regardless. HC should be its own draw with all the activities surrounding that weekend.
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EXACTLY. Dead horse or not.transfer2BGSU wrote:
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Attendance vs. Victory. I could careless one way or the other.
We love attending Homecoming regardless and have missed too many years (about 4 or 5) letting our kid's select soccer games override our desire to get to Homecoming. That did not happen this year. We enjoyed ourselves regardless of weather, score, or attendance. And our oldest still played with his U-14 team in the morning. Thank God for the late start at BG.
I'll add a few other points I haven't read yet.
The Ball State game was more profoundly meaningless than normal. Not only did nobody on this earth expect us to lose, everybody knew it was going to be a total blow-out, in lousy weather.
In addition we lost to NIU. It is POSSIBLE we might yet get to the title game, or in an even more fantastic dream, a bowl. However the truth is that we are almost certainly NOT playing for anything outside of beating Toledo and Marshall. Blowing it against NIU made every other home game an afterthought unless NIU drops TWO games.
If Brandon wants to complain about attendance, the fans might want to complain about the Falcons laying a huge steaming pile of let-down on the field two weeks ago. Having said that, the media was going to ask about the crowd in any case, and obviously Brandon had to say something. Saying that he was complaining might be too much. He had to say something, and he wasn't going to praise a low turn-out.
Last year, during lousy weather, against one of the two 1AA teams we had at home, we saw the same kind of crowd. Long-time locals know how utterly miserable it is to sit or stand in that stadium when the weather sucks. If the game doesn't mean anything, they aren't going to show up just to suffer through a certain blow-out.
Homecoming is NOT a big draw at BGSU. Why it is not can be debated long and hard on another thread. However, if it took a few years to boost overall interest in BGSU sports, it is going to take a few more to develop homecoming into an event alumni care about, or want to show up for. For most of us that live local, and interact with the University on an almost daily basis, this weekend was just another one in town with football. For those two hours away, or more, its an idea for a trip, but in lousy weather, with kids to drag along, its not an easy sell unless you've taken off from work and have a hotel room to commit you. The fact of the matter is most BGSU alumni in Ohio are several hours driving away.
It won't shock me if we draw poorly for the Kent and WMU games as well. The Marshall game will draw 25,000.
The Ball State game was more profoundly meaningless than normal. Not only did nobody on this earth expect us to lose, everybody knew it was going to be a total blow-out, in lousy weather.
In addition we lost to NIU. It is POSSIBLE we might yet get to the title game, or in an even more fantastic dream, a bowl. However the truth is that we are almost certainly NOT playing for anything outside of beating Toledo and Marshall. Blowing it against NIU made every other home game an afterthought unless NIU drops TWO games.
If Brandon wants to complain about attendance, the fans might want to complain about the Falcons laying a huge steaming pile of let-down on the field two weeks ago. Having said that, the media was going to ask about the crowd in any case, and obviously Brandon had to say something. Saying that he was complaining might be too much. He had to say something, and he wasn't going to praise a low turn-out.
Last year, during lousy weather, against one of the two 1AA teams we had at home, we saw the same kind of crowd. Long-time locals know how utterly miserable it is to sit or stand in that stadium when the weather sucks. If the game doesn't mean anything, they aren't going to show up just to suffer through a certain blow-out.
Homecoming is NOT a big draw at BGSU. Why it is not can be debated long and hard on another thread. However, if it took a few years to boost overall interest in BGSU sports, it is going to take a few more to develop homecoming into an event alumni care about, or want to show up for. For most of us that live local, and interact with the University on an almost daily basis, this weekend was just another one in town with football. For those two hours away, or more, its an idea for a trip, but in lousy weather, with kids to drag along, its not an easy sell unless you've taken off from work and have a hotel room to commit you. The fact of the matter is most BGSU alumni in Ohio are several hours driving away.
It won't shock me if we draw poorly for the Kent and WMU games as well. The Marshall game will draw 25,000.
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A couple of things got me PO'd reading this thread. The Coach B. quote applies to absolutely no one who posts here. We are the die hards of the die hards. The comment is applicable to the "fair weather" fan who is needed to inflate attendance figures. Complaining about BG fans not showing up for the game is not the way you go about encouraging "fair weather" fans to come out for the next game. Plead, beg, do whatever it takes, but don't complain about attendance to this type of fan.
Hell, I made the trip for the game even though I knew the game was going to be a blowout. But I came out, enjoyed myself, and thought the crowd was decent. (By the way , it was nice meeting a few of you.) Heck, the crowd seemd comparable to past years. Really, what's in a number anyways. The crowd that was there was supportive for at least the first half. Furthermore, past attendance figures are likely inflated over the current figures. The NCAA came down hard on accurate attendance figures. Colleges can no longer count ticket sales and estimate student turnout. They are now supposed to count tickets received at the gate and are supposed to count students as the enter their respective gates. These two counts likely reduced the numbers compared to past seasons.
A couple of things got me PO'd reading this thread. The Coach B. quote applies to absolutely no one who posts here. We are the die hards of the die hards. The comment is applicable to the "fair weather" fan who is needed to inflate attendance figures. Complaining about BG fans not showing up for the game is not the way you go about encouraging "fair weather" fans to come out for the next game. Plead, beg, do whatever it takes, but don't complain about attendance to this type of fan.
Hell, I made the trip for the game even though I knew the game was going to be a blowout. But I came out, enjoyed myself, and thought the crowd was decent. (By the way , it was nice meeting a few of you.) Heck, the crowd seemd comparable to past years. Really, what's in a number anyways. The crowd that was there was supportive for at least the first half. Furthermore, past attendance figures are likely inflated over the current figures. The NCAA came down hard on accurate attendance figures. Colleges can no longer count ticket sales and estimate student turnout. They are now supposed to count tickets received at the gate and are supposed to count students as the enter their respective gates. These two counts likely reduced the numbers compared to past seasons.
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Just keep winning and the fan base will continue to grow...
Until MAC opponents RESPECT each other and realize there is good football top to bottom in the conference there wont be as many fans at games as everyone wants. Games that are sold out, are way more fun and interesting.
Unfortunately we have a ton of bottom feeders that do nothing to help the conference generate interest. Honestly the games that draw well across the conference are... Miami, Marshall, OU, Northern, BG, and Toledo. No else really gives a rat's a$$ about some of the other programs because they are so terrible. I understand building a program, but there are some schools that remind me of the Cleveland indians of three decades, absolutely terrible and nothing fixes the problem.
Until MAC opponents RESPECT each other and realize there is good football top to bottom in the conference there wont be as many fans at games as everyone wants. Games that are sold out, are way more fun and interesting.
Unfortunately we have a ton of bottom feeders that do nothing to help the conference generate interest. Honestly the games that draw well across the conference are... Miami, Marshall, OU, Northern, BG, and Toledo. No else really gives a rat's a$$ about some of the other programs because they are so terrible. I understand building a program, but there are some schools that remind me of the Cleveland indians of three decades, absolutely terrible and nothing fixes the problem.
