Kiper, FWIW....

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:06 pm

hammb wrote:
bgsufalcon24 wrote:I don't see how Omar, as the 4th best QB in the draft, could fall past round 3, or end up in Pittsburgh. There's lots of teams that need QBs or backups to potentially take over for older QBs, like Miami, Kansas City, Minnesota, Arizona, etc.
For starters some publications have him rated way below the 4th QB taken. It is also very possible to see the 4th QB drop all the way to the 4th round. There are hardly ever any 2nd round QBs, so then it just comes down to him being worth a #3 pick. I think he is, but NFL teams may differ on that thought.

It is quite possible, maybe even likely, that Omar will drop till the 4th round.

What he said.

bgsufalcon24 · Post by **bgsufalcon24** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:24 pm

1987alum wrote:
hammb wrote:
bgsufalcon24 wrote:I don't see how Omar, as the 4th best QB in the draft, could fall past round 3, or end up in Pittsburgh. There's lots of teams that need QBs or backups to potentially take over for older QBs, like Miami, Kansas City, Minnesota, Arizona, etc.
For starters some publications have him rated way below the 4th QB taken. It is also very possible to see the 4th QB drop all the way to the 4th round. There are hardly ever any 2nd round QBs, so then it just comes down to him being worth a #3 pick. I think he is, but NFL teams may differ on that thought.

It is quite possible, maybe even likely, that Omar will drop till the 4th round.
Other than Leinart, Cutler, and Young, the only two guys I've heard of as being possibly ahead of Omar is Charlie Whitehurst and Brodie Croyle. As Ive said before, Brodie Croyle sucks and any team that takes him will be SORRY. As for Whitehurst, he is legitimate. Again, with all the teams that need quarterbacks, I'd be stunned to see Omar fall past round 3.

What he said.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:34 pm

Well, Wamer was reading some draft guide on the air the other day that had Omar something like 10th or 11th of the QBs, and actually below Gradkowski. I believe that was Pro Football Weekly's draft rankings, which are highly regarded, but I haven't read them since you must pay. There are always varying opinions on players once you get beyond the top few, especially at QB. It's very rare that ANYONE would be the consensus #4 QB in a draft. If Omar doesn't become the 4th or 5th QB taken it's highly likely that he'll be a 4th rounder or below. Like I said earlier it's also quite conceivable that there will only be 3 QBs taken on day 1.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:21 pm

Yes, those rankings Wamer was reading were from PFW. They were also reading three different ones from CBS Sportsline, but it was the PFW one that had Gradkowski 10 and Omar 12.

When I started listening, they said they wanted some local draft gurus to call in. Someone that plans their April around the draft. Hammb, I immediately thought of you and expected to hear you on the radio.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:25 pm

I think PFW was pretty well regarded when Joel Buchsbaum covered the draft for them. After his death.....I don't know if they get the same kind of respect

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:44 am

Warthog wrote: When I started listening, they said they wanted some local draft gurus to call in. Someone that plans their April around the draft. Hammb, I immediately thought of you and expected to hear you on the radio.

I thought about calling, but hearing those two dolts talk it would've been like talking to myself. Or talking to the PFW Draft preview magazine...neither of them really have a clue. I continue to be amazed that Mark has a job as a sports talk radio host, because he's clueless on pretty much every subject they ever discuss.

I almost called when they were talking about LenDale White, and they didn't know why he was slipping. They quoted that he was 235 pounds and ran a 4.5 or something like that and had no idea why he'd slip. The truth is that nobody knows what his 40 time is because he's NEVER run a timed 40. According to Carrol White has been "hurt" every time they've ever ran timed 40s at USC. That scares me, and I"m sure it scares some other NFL teams as well. In fact I'm not real big on 40 times in general, but when a player seems afraid to run one that says more to me than any 40 time ever could...

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:19 am

hammb wrote:
Warthog wrote: When I started listening, they said they wanted some local draft gurus to call in. Someone that plans their April around the draft. Hammb, I immediately thought of you and expected to hear you on the radio.
I thought about calling, but hearing those two dolts talk it would've been like talking to myself. Or talking to the PFW Draft preview magazine...neither of them really have a clue. I continue to be amazed that Mark has a job as a sports talk radio host, because he's clueless on pretty much every subject they ever discuss.

I almost called when they were talking about LenDale White, and they didn't know why he was slipping. They quoted that he was 235 pounds and ran a 4.5 or something like that and had no idea why he'd slip. The truth is that nobody knows what his 40 time is because he's NEVER run a timed 40. According to Carrol White has been "hurt" every time they've ever ran timed 40s at USC. That scares me, and I"m sure it scares some other NFL teams as well. In fact I'm not real big on 40 times in general, but when a player seems afraid to run one that says more to me than any 40 time ever could...

Speaking of Lendale White, we now know why he didn't run at pro day. He has a torn hamstring. Enjoy the 3rd round Lendale.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/n ... id=2407977

dduncan · Post by **dduncan** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:35 am

Obviously, he made the wrong decision. But he's not falling further than mid-2nd round, IMO. NFL is nothing but a copy cat league. They saw what the Steelers did with Bettis and Parker. Some team will take the chance before the Steelers can snatch him up with their 2nd round pick.

Though I wouldn't be surprised to see Pitt. take him off their board. They usually don't mess with potential head cases.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:53 am

I am starting to envision the Browns draft being Vince Young in the first round and LenDale White in the second. I really don't know what to think about that.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:56 am

Warthog wrote:I am starting to envision the Browns draft being Vince Young in the first round and LenDale White in the second. I really don't know what to think about that.

No way Vince Young gets past the Raiders.

And Duncan -- you're probably right about White. He'll go early to mid 2nd. I'd be pissed if the steelers drafted him though, and I don't think there's any chance they will.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:10 am

My personal opinion on LenDale hasn't changed much in the offseason. He's a big back with okay power, and okay straight ahead speed. He has little vision & no elusiveness. He averaged a full 2 yards less per carry than Bush did behind the same line. Watching USC what I saw from White was go through the gaping hole and lower shoulder and try to run someone over. I never saw him try to make anyone miss. I just don't think the guy has the instincts or vision to be an elite NFL runner.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:16 pm

Jacobs4Heisman wrote:
Warthog wrote: No way Vince Young gets past the Raiders.

You think Randy Moss is gonna be happy if the Raiders draft a project QB that runs with the ball on about half of the called pass plays? No way. And no way the Raiders will draft Young. IMO.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:41 pm

I think it's conceivable that the Raiders pass on VY, but still he'd be my first guess on their pick. If Hawk or Mario Williams were to drop I could definitely see them taking one of the defensive players.

Actually, I'm still not convinced that Young doesn't go to Tennessee. I read that the coaching staff (Read: CHOW) want Leinart, but that the owner/GM guys are more enamored with Young and his similarities to a young McNair. I could see them going either route.

I like Frye, a LOT, but if Young is available for the Browns to choose I would have a fit if they passed him up. He's one of the top 2-3 talents in this draft, IMO, and would absolutely be BPA. He has a high bust potential, for sure, but his ceiling is higher than anyone not named Reggie Bush in this draft.

Dayons_Den · Post by **Dayons_Den** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:29 pm

bgsufalcon24 wrote: Again, with all the teams that need quarterbacks

Even though a lot of teams NEED QBs that doesn't mean they will draft QBs. Teams who need starters don't draft guys to start right away, they trade around and get back ups to step in. Right, Mike McMahon?