Mario Williams?

BGSUFootballFan · Post by **BGSUFootballFan** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:11 am

anyone else think it was a terrible decision for Mario Williams to be taken #1 in the draft? i thought so, how do you pass up Bush, Leinhart, or Young?

BGSUVA · Post by **BGSUVA** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:29 am

Passing on Leinart and Young are easy, but Bush should be #1. Williams is a beast though

CrazyFan · Post by **CrazyFan** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:45 pm

BGSUVA wrote:Passing on Leinart and Young are easy, but Bush should be #1. Williams is a beast though

But remember, Williams is an impact player that was rated right up there with Bush, and it came down to what Bush was asking money wise and, more importantly, even though EVERYONE was saying it was a non issue, his dealings with the house thing and his family. So I think that played a huge part which puts his character in question and coupled with him asking WAY too much money (which he's not gonna get anymore anyways) shoots Williams to #1. Thats the only decision the Texans could do. The bigger question in my mind is why did the Bills take Donte Whitner at #8?? Thats a stupid move!! There was 8-10 better players on the board at that point.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 6:21 pm

CrazyFan wrote:
BGSUVA wrote:The bigger question in my mind is why did the Bills take Donte Whitner at #8?? Thats a stupid move!! There was 8-10 better players on the board at that point.

And then the Bills traded up to get McCargo who would have been on the board for a while. Congratulations Buffalo, you are the new Bengals.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:35 pm

Here is some more craziness that some dude on ESPN.com has reported regarding the Bills:

"For what it's worth I also heard from my source that Bills owner Ralph Wilson was in love with Jay Cutler and that the Bills gave Leinart a second-round grade, young a third-round grade."

Marv Levy must be senile.

bgsufalcon24 · Post by **bgsufalcon24** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:41 pm

The Texans taking Mario Williams over Reggie Bush, within the next 15-20 years will be regarded as one of the biggest draft day gaffs in NFL history. How they managed not to take Bush is absolutely beyond me. That guy could have helped them out so much, and instead they take an overrated defensive end.

BGSUVA · Post by **BGSUVA** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:20 pm

overrated? what? Is this part of a northern football bias? hating on Croyle, saying Mario Williams is overrated, what gives? you watch much football other than BG?

BGSUFootballFan · Post by **BGSUFootballFan** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:37 pm

Bush is a lot better player than Mario Williams, and Leinhart and Young are much better as well. Therefore I dont really care what the circumstances were, but I hate the Texans so haha for them.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:45 pm

Mario Williams is an impact player at an important position. I don't know if Reggie Bush will be able to hold up in the NFL as a "go to" RB. I don't know if I would pass on Julius Peppers v2.0 to take a guy who might be best suited to situational duty. Particularly if I already have a good back like Domanick Davis

Signabilty may also have been an issue for the Texans...

Beastnasty · Post by **Beastnasty** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:53 am

Bush is a good player, but I think people have unrealistic expectations for this guy. He is not going to be playing defenses the likes of Fresno State and because of that, fans cannot expect him to score everytime he touches the ball. If I were GM of the Texans, I would have done the same thing. There's no way in the world that I would pay $50 million for a guy that you cannot hand the ball off to at least 20-30 times per game.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:23 am

Bush can be a great NFL player if a team is willing to change their offensive scheme to fit his skills. He needs to be used similarly to Marshall Faulk. Give him 15-20 carries a game and lots of time split out wide, etc. You cannot give him 25+ carries a game and have him pound the ball. I can see where Texas might not want to do that.

The Texans really needed Ferguson or Williams. Personally I'm not high on Williams either, but most NFL guys were. The only reason I wasn't as fond of him was because he didn't consistently dominate his competition. He got most of his sacks in a few game stretch, but was basically nonexistant against the ranked teams that NC State played this season. Still, NFL scouts had him as a consensus #2, and I'd be willing to bet there were more than a couple that had him ranked higher than Reggie Bush.

Just remember that the "consensus" rankings of the media and prognositcators don't always match up very closely with those of the NFL teams.

BGSUFootballFan · Post by **BGSUFootballFan** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:19 am

Well even then I'd rather pay for an explosive RB that can get 10-15 carries and that I can spread out as a WR, that I can use a KR and PR, than some DE that had a few great games against crappy teams and got shutdown other than that. This kid is not Juluis Peppers, and I think the Texans are out of their mind for passing on Reggie Bush. It almost reminds me of the Detroit Pistons passing on Lebron James or Carmelo Anthony, for Darko Milic. Yeah that sure panned out.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:03 am

For some teams it's about need, man. Yes, just looking at the players I think Reggie is the best prospect. However, in order to get ultimate value out of him you must redesign your offense to fit that type of player. Houston has Domanick Davis, who they gave a pretty big deal to, and is an averae to above average RB. Conversely they're switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3 and have a HUGE need for DL players that fit a 4-3. They have other gaping holes as well.

I'm definitely with you that you don't wanna be the guy that passes on Reggie Bush, but I can see what their thought process was. I don't agree with it, but I can see it. Honestly, I wasn't surprised with the pick, but I cannot say I agree with it. There was no prospect in this draft, IMO, that compared with Bush. That said, there were apparently a number of NFL teams that really loved Mario Williams, so who knows. I do think Bush was the much more sure thing pick than Williams, DEs are always so hit or miss early in the draft...