Turner's Court Appearance

Tricky_Falcon · Post by **Tricky_Falcon** » Thu May 04, 2006 2:32 pm

hammb wrote:
1987alum wrote:
ffejfalcon wrote:Glad this is behind AT now. So what are our chances beating Wisconsin without AT at QB? Assuming Brandon sits him.
That's a big assumption.
If AT is playing QB in the game against Wisconsin I will have lost all of what little faith I have in Gregg Brandon. For all of Dakich's issues he at least is willing to discipline his players.

Well coach Brandon wouldn't want you to lose faith in him so I am certain he will now be suspended for the first game. I don't think this warrants a suspension just a lot of running until you vomit. Heck Mr. Discipline Bobby Knight had tokers on his team and did not suspend them.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Thu May 04, 2006 3:00 pm

Tricky_Falcon wrote:
hammb wrote:
1987alum wrote:
ffejfalcon wrote:Glad this is behind AT now. So what are our chances beating Wisconsin without AT at QB? Assuming Brandon sits him.
That's a big assumption.
If AT is playing QB in the game against Wisconsin I will have lost all of what little faith I have in Gregg Brandon. For all of Dakich's issues he at least is willing to discipline his players.
Well coach Brandon wouldn't want you to lose faith in him so I am certain he will now be suspended for the first game. I don't think this warrants a suspension just a lot of running until you vomit. Heck Mr. Discipline Bobby Knight had tokers on his team and did not suspend them.

Tricky,
Can you explain to me then why Patrick was kicked off the team while you argue that Turner should not even be suspended even though the both pleaded guilty to the exact same charge? Does any one else think the punishments (in respect to the football team) is disproportionate for some reason?

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Thu May 04, 2006 3:03 pm

fair decesion, they were honest and did not waste time.
i hope this does not happen again.

BGorDeath · Post by **BGorDeath** » Thu May 04, 2006 3:05 pm

Tricky,
Can you explain to me then why Patrick was kicked off the team while you argue that Turner should not even be suspended even though the both pleaded guilty to the exact same charge? Does any one else think the punishments (in respect to the football team) is disproportionate for some reason?[/quote]

Yes. Yes I do feel it is disproportionate. Patrick should have been allowed to stay on the team, but instead of Ben Gay on the jock, he should have been made to wear a bra, garter and Chanel No. 5 for the first game.

BGGrad01 · Post by **BGGrad01** » Thu May 04, 2006 3:20 pm

Warthog wrote:
Tricky_Falcon wrote:
hammb wrote:
1987alum wrote:
ffejfalcon wrote:Glad this is behind AT now. So what are our chances beating Wisconsin without AT at QB? Assuming Brandon sits him.
That's a big assumption.
If AT is playing QB in the game against Wisconsin I will have lost all of what little faith I have in Gregg Brandon. For all of Dakich's issues he at least is willing to discipline his players.
Well coach Brandon wouldn't want you to lose faith in him so I am certain he will now be suspended for the first game. I don't think this warrants a suspension just a lot of running until you vomit. Heck Mr. Discipline Bobby Knight had tokers on his team and did not suspend them.
Tricky,
Can you explain to me then why Patrick was kicked off the team while you argue that Turner should not even be suspended even though the both pleaded guilty to the exact same charge? Does any one else think the punishments (in respect to the football team) is disproportionate for some reason?

Someone said in the original Turner/Patrick arrest thread that Patrick was being kicked off because he lied about it to Coach Brandon. Turner came clean according to the poster and was not kicked off the team.

Tricky_Falcon · Post by **Tricky_Falcon** » Thu May 04, 2006 3:36 pm

No I can't tell you why one person was kicked off the team and why another wasn't. We can assume all day and act like we know everything but we arent behind the sences and we aren't coaches or administration.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Thu May 04, 2006 3:58 pm

Tricky_Falcon wrote:
Well coach Brandon wouldn't want you to lose faith in him so I am certain he will now be suspended for the first game. I don't think this warrants a suspension just a lot of running until you vomit. Heck Mr. Discipline Bobby Knight had tokers on his team and did not suspend them.

I'm sure Brandon doesn't give a rat's behind about what I personally think. However, as an alumni, donor, and frequent football attendee, I do think my opinion counts for something. I'm quite certain that I'm not the only one that feels the way I do. I'm also quite certain that a majority of this board would be more than happy to pile onto Amstutz or Tressel if they gave their starting QB special treatment while another player got kicked off the team entirely.

I do not think possession is some major offense requiring crucifixion. But I do think that it warrants a one game suspension regardless of who your players are. I don't think he'll get that suspension because I don't think Brandon has a clue how to run a disciplined program. I firmly believe the undisciplined, directionless team we saw last year was a direct result of it's leadership. Like it or not suspending a player (in a position of leadership at that) is what's best for the team.

ZuluWarrior · Post by **ZuluWarrior** » Thu May 04, 2006 4:16 pm

Well put hammb. This board can throw stones sometimes at other programs and I for one think examples must be set, especially for players/positions that are team leaders.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Thu May 04, 2006 4:42 pm

BGGrad01 wrote:Someone said in the original Turner/Patrick arrest thread that Patrick was being kicked off because he lied about it to Coach Brandon. Turner came clean according to the poster and was not kicked off the team.

That's right, I forgot about Patrick lying about the situation.

So that now begs the question, lying to the coach gets you kicked off the team, but pleading guilty to disorderly conduct gets you what???

moneymaker02 · Post by **moneymaker02** » Thu May 04, 2006 5:12 pm

"Always nice to see the city leaders not being aware of our football program or even being able to read a paper. No wonder Turner's attorney was able to knock this down to such a minimal offense."

actually, a pot offense costs less than an underage alchohol offense. i know ive been through both lol.

moneymaker02 · Post by **moneymaker02** » Thu May 04, 2006 5:14 pm

also, my roomate works with patrick and said that he wasn't kicked off the team but that's all i can tell ya

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Thu May 04, 2006 5:27 pm

Oh boy this is getting funny now, we have an undisplaned team and coach who does not know how to lead.
you could work for ESPN...or CNN with that kind of spin.

always a falcon · Post by **always a falcon** » Thu May 04, 2006 5:51 pm

BGorDeath wrote:Tricky,
Can you explain to me then why Patrick was kicked off the team while you argue that Turner should not even be suspended even though the both pleaded guilty to the exact same charge? Does any one else think the punishments (in respect to the football team) is disproportionate for some reason?

Yes. Yes I do feel it is disproportionate. Patrick should have been allowed to stay on the team, but instead of Ben Gay on the jock, he should have been made to wear a bra, garter and Chanel No. 5 for the first game.[/quote]

So you are saying that being a woman is a punishment????? What are you from Iowa?

HoustonFalcon · Post by **HoustonFalcon** » Thu May 04, 2006 5:59 pm

Look, here are the facts. Both kids did something that they weren't supposed to do. Both kids are going through the court process right now. But with Turner pleading guilty to a basically plea bargain charge, he does deserve to be suspended for one game. These kids cannot run a program, and to let them get away with just practice type punishment doesn't cut it. There has to be accountability for the actions of the players, and a one game suspension is what we should see, in my opinion. This is not about a kid playing quarterback, and there should be an example set of him. No, this is about a kid that did something wrong, that was illegal, and got caught. That is why he should be suspended for a game, and anyone who says that there should be leniency because he is just a kid still needs to get real. Coaches are supposed to make their kids better athletes, along with better people. They are supposed to be a mentor. Not a babysitter, but a mentor. Slaps on the wrist don't do anything for the kid in the long run. They are only temporary fixes.

Tricky_Falcon · Post by **Tricky_Falcon** » Thu May 04, 2006 6:14 pm

I couldn't care less if ohio state has players smoking pot on the team. I don't think they should get suspended a game for it. Should there be punishment? Yes.

Hell if those guys only smoked pot they would be saints. I bust balls about osu when you hearing them sexually, physically assulting students, DUI's and having guns.

Yes I think smoking pot with your friends is a lot less harmful than driving drunk. My opinion changes when the person is driving high. Just to let you know I've never smoked pot so don't think I'm some stoner...